Author Topic: Takes balls... even after the fact (Read 1707 times)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #30 on:** June 04, 2004, 12:47:27 AM »

Like I been saying.
One side is no more innocent then the other

ravells · « **Reply #31 on:** June 04, 2004, 04:50:30 AM »

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I've been lectured... OH THE SORROW! I think I must now humbly avert my eye's for his Highness has spoken

Good, now go forth and use thy brain!

Ravs

ravells · « **Reply #32 on:** June 04, 2004, 08:49:11 AM »

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Originally posted by SLO
I see you grasp well the situation in Pal. there RAV.....

Now explain to these fine gentlemens on this here board why they teach there kids in school about hating the Jew.

Now explain to these fine gentlemens on this here board why there religion teaches to hate the Jew.

Sure.

I don't know if 'Jew Hating' is one of the subjects on the curriculum which they fit in between 'bomb making 101' and 'home reconstruction'. But yes, you can probably see why some teachers might say that the Jews are to be hated because of the cycle of violence. I expect there are Zionist Jewish teachers in Israel saying pretty much the same thing to their students about Palestinians. As the article mosgood posted said:

"The day you arrive, a little Jewish boy comes to bring coffee and thanks you for defending him, and the next day you are patrolling and you see the same boy with a group of other children throwing stones and beating with sticks an old Palestinian," he said.

I expect those kids picked up the behavioral imperative from somewhere.

As to the Palestinians' religion teaching jew hating, which one are you referring to? There are Muslim and Christian Palestinians. Neither of those religions advocates hatred against the Jews, although if I'm wrong on that feel free to show me the passages in the Koraan and/or Bible which instruct the followers of that religion that Jews should be hated.

Ravs

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 04, 2004, 08:59:52 AM »

actually... there is very little crime in the country where "everyone is armed" (real life numbers are 20% concealed carry permit holders) and... they have prevented public shootings or ended them quickly.

Would I rather live with the armed jews than the mad bomber palestinianes? in a heart beat. The brutality that is part and parcel of the arab world is not for me... if the jews treated their women like the arabs do we would hear the hand wriging and tears hitting the floor 24/7 on this board.

the hypocracy of the left is overwhelming sometimes.

lazs

ravells · « **Reply #34 on:** June 04, 2004, 09:39:20 AM »

But it's not all about 'crime' in the sense of people who use guns to rob. In this case it's about what is effectively a civil war where arms appear very easy to come by - but then from a totally economic standpoint, where there is a demand, the supply will follow.

Funnily enough jewish women have their cultural problems in relation to the denial of human rights too. The only societies that I have seen that have taken women's rights seriously are secular societies. That said, I know quite a few muslim women (in fact, I share an office with one) and they don't feel oppressed in any way at all. [edit] although I agree far too many muslim women are treated terribly [edit]

Frankly, I wouldn't want to live either in Israel or the Occupied territories. Everyone there seems a bit too trigger happy for me.

But here's the interesting thing:

Extremist muslims believe that women, should be kept out of politics altogether. Under strict Shariah Law, thieves get their hands chopped off, (ok, so they're not shot by the homeowner, but hey, it's not a bad second choice), murderers get the death sentence.

Could be you have more in common with strict Islamic tenets than you realise, Lazs!

Ravs

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #35 on:** June 04, 2004, 09:54:28 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
the hypocracy of the left is overwhelming sometimes.

lazs

wow lazs.. your skipping again.. plz tend that scratch in your record..

as some on this board so love to point out, Ravs does not reside here in america. Why must he be labeled as one? Cant he simply be a peaceful person with an opinion?? Left hypocracy? Com'on guy... Grow past your need to label.....

dude

AoM

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 04, 2004, 10:28:58 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I have a feeling that I would be a lot more comfortable living around the jewish "nazis" who for some reason look at the latter group as less than human. lazs

Yup, and I'm sure those Jewish "nazis" are gonna looove that little SS tattoo you still have that helps you remind yourself of how far you've come.

You'll be the first receipent of a new type of dance, called the "Jerusalem Jolly Stomp." When you wake up in the ER, I'll be there to tell you all about it

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 04, 2004, 10:58:01 AM »

I have had several surgeries by jewish doctors who were well aware of my SS tatoos and asked me about em. they did exceptional work.

rav... I think it is a matter of perspective.. certainly none of us would like to live in a place where daily terrorist attacks took place but if it were my homeland I certainly would like to be armed. As for women and human rights... again, perspective... the arabs are so abusive that to compare them to the jews is pretty silly.. The jews would have to be about 100 times worse than they are in order to even compare the two. What I feel about womens rights is not the issue here... the issue is that you seem to be ignoring something the arabs do that would cause hand wringing and multiple daily postings here if the jews did half as much.

Crime in isreal is low.. the real danger is from arab terr.. er, freedom fighters. Other than that it is a pretty safe place to live. Swedens citizens have military weapons. I would not worry about that if I were there.

lazs

ravells · « **Reply #38 on:** June 04, 2004, 11:58:26 AM »

Yes, it's a matter of perspective.

This problem of domestic violence exists everywhere, but women's rights in the Arab world and parts of Africa and Asia are particularly poor. Frankly, I think it is a terrible problem, and yes, I entirely agree with you that domestic abuse (my gut tells me as I have not seen any comparative stats) is far more prevalent in Arab and African societies than in Jewish society. Many arab and African societies have a long way to go on this one for sure.

That said, what is the relevance of domestic violence if the topic of conversation is political violence and the idea of statehood etc.
Sure if the post was about women's rights and domestic violence and the Arab world, I'd be the first to point the finger, but recognising that we in the west have a way to go on issues of domestic violence ourselves.

Crime in Israel may be low, but I still wouldn't want to live there. I think I'd take Sweden.

Ravs

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 04, 2004, 02:42:27 PM »

I would take sweden too but... If every country were sweden.... the first one who decided not to be would rule the world.

lazs

Thrawn · « **Reply #40 on:** June 04, 2004, 05:50:42 PM »

Saying Isrealis are just like Nazis is stoopid.

But I don't think it's unfair to say that some Isrealis believe in Nazis policies, specifically genocide.

Many of the pictures show settler graffiti calling for blood and revenge, another says "Palestinians to the gas chambers."

lada · « **Reply #41 on:** June 04, 2004, 06:20:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Saying Isrealis are just like Nazis is stoopid.

But I don't think it's unfair to say that some Isrealis believe in Nazis policies, specifically genocide.

Many of the pictures show settler graffiti calling for blood and revenge, another says "Palestinians to the gas chambers."

actualy Propaganda in israel has been as good as Hitler's.... Just look how many years they are in "danger" and whats the progress... its funny to watch all those stupid arogant post from people whitch can not handle reality, from people who will never admit to beeing "brainwashed"

So in Israel are 150 000 people in the streets on riot agains politics in gaza, their soldiers post pictures of their crims and some poeple over here still only cry that we are US/israel haters

yeah what a surprise, that you have no words in sutch situation

lada · « **Reply #42 on:** June 04, 2004, 06:26:00 PM »

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Originally posted by ravells
Yes, it's a matter of perspective.

This problem of domestic violence exists everywhere, but women's rights in the Arab world and parts of Africa and Asia are particularly poor.

Yup Ravs. But it depend on every single country. Did you note that most poor rights they have in most poor countries, mostly destroyed by long wars ?

Look at ritch countries in ME and check their situation.

Im afraid that domestical voilence is not smaller here. its only very well hidden. if you sometime read some materials about home voilance, you will find amazing numbers.

Sutch problem must be properly discovered, uncovered, before we will speak about some fixing.

LOL just found this news

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Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) sacked two far-right ministers in a bid to ensure his Gaza pullout plan wins a majority in a weekend cabinet vote.(AFP/File/Tal Cohen)

viva democracy

lada · « **Reply #43 on:** June 04, 2004, 06:34:24 PM »

And we better dont ask about funny things like iraqi election.

On friday British comander said, that election can be held in June, but there are still some minor problems between fractions
On mondey Americans report that election is not technicaly possible.

and today ??

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Carina Perelli, a senior UN elections expert, speaks to the press at the Coalition Provincial Authority (CPA) in Baghdad. The UN said that elections were technically possible to organize in Iraq (news - web sites) by late January.(AFP/Marwan Naamani)

naaaa i will not call US administration to be full of lairs... not realy... they are all poor vicims of bad information system, whitch keep most of them missinformed

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #44 on:** June 04, 2004, 07:44:31 PM »

Do you even comprehend why they are straping bombs onto themselves?