Author Topic: Takes balls... even after the fact (Read 1679 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #60 on:** June 07, 2004, 08:39:26 AM »

ravs... share? interesting concept but... socialism never works. Now, the jews combined forces and created something. they are still working on it and helping their own.. they have their hands full with that..

It would seem to me that if anyone were to "share" it would be the rich arab states. The palestinians are more thier "people" than anyones. The arabs are the ones most concerned. Why don't they "share"? If they spent half the money they spend on war and training terrorists the palestinians would have a jewish level of income and education.

lazs

ravells · « **Reply #61 on:** June 07, 2004, 09:19:47 AM »

Lasz...if two kids are in the playground and one decides to share his lunch with another one, does that make the kid who is sharing his lunch a socialist? Is the concept of kindness a purely socialist construct in your mind?

Interesting point about the other Arab states pitching in, but I think the help should come from the Israelis because they are 'sharing' the same land as the Palestinians. If your 'enemy' helps you, it makes it increasingly difficult to call him your enemy. Ultimately, these people are going to have to learn how to live together if they are to collectively survive in some sort of normal existence.

As for the Arabs of other countries, their singular lack of concrete help to the Palestinians speaks volumes about how much they really care about their plight.

Ravs.

Hortlund · « **Reply #62 on:** June 07, 2004, 09:32:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
It's amazing what decades of propaganda can do to people's minds.

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Yeah, it is. Look at yourself for example, claiming that 99.9% of the palestinians "are just ordinary people who are trying to keep their childrens in safe and get some food for them" when opinion polls shows that 68% of them supports the suicide bombings.

You want to paint up these people as some poor victims just trying to get on with their lives while the evil Israelis opress them every day. You dont have a ****ing clue.

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btw who has tried to justify killing innocent civilians?

A large majority of the palestinians.

lazs2 · « **Reply #63 on:** June 07, 2004, 01:07:41 PM »

ravs... now you are talking about something different. charity, socialism and aide are, or can be completely different things.

I think that the fact that the arabs aren't helping proves that the palestinians are just an excuse.

lazs

ravells · « **Reply #64 on:** June 07, 2004, 04:30:51 PM »

I was talking about sharing the means of giving people a chance of having the basic necessities in life which provide happiness.

Those things are shelter, energy, education, a decent health service and so on.

Ravs

Scootter · « **Reply #65 on:** June 07, 2004, 04:57:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
Eagler
so you now see the US and Isreal as one entity?
You gota just accept it boy. Bad things happen when you oppress people. Its not that supprising.

YEa but good things happen when you oppress bad people! and further more, Pongo Moore someday we will have freed the Iraqs and will have our troops home and things will be swell, but you will still be from Canada

storch · « **Reply #66 on:** June 07, 2004, 05:17:39 PM »

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Originally posted by VOR
Ravs, this is all very interesting, but I'm more interested in how you think the problem can be fixed. Personally, I don't think it can.

I have a solution but it's controversial and posting it would certainly get me banned.

VOR · « **Reply #67 on:** June 07, 2004, 06:01:28 PM »

I'm sure you do, Storch. I'm sure you do.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #68 on:** June 07, 2004, 06:50:22 PM »

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Originally posted by ravells
I was talking about sharing the means of giving people a chance of having the basic necessities in life which provide happiness.

Those things are shelter, energy, education, a decent health service and so on.

Ravs

I hope you mean giving the people the chance to earn their shelter, energy, et. al.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs says that the basic necessities will get you the physiological and safety needs, but the the next three levels, love, esteem and self-actualization are created when one has self worth, and that starts with earning your way through life, not having things given to you.

ravells · « **Reply #69 on:** June 08, 2004, 04:28:08 AM »

Yes, I did, Holden.

Ravs.

lazs2 · « **Reply #70 on:** June 08, 2004, 08:30:48 AM »

well... no one is against opportunity I suppose but...

how exactly would one "share" with the mad bombers and the 64% of the population tht believe they are on the right trac?

lazs

VOR · « **Reply #71 on:** June 08, 2004, 08:34:03 AM »

I'm curious about this 64% number. Where did it come from? How can the accuracy be verified? Also, does it mean 64% would wear a bomb, or maybe just help strap one to someone else, or maybe buy the duct tape, or maybe applaud, or what? I'd like info on this if u guys have it.

ravells · « **Reply #72 on:** June 08, 2004, 09:22:37 AM »

(With thanks to Grunz).

Ravs

Author Topic: Takes balls... even after the fact (Read 1679 times)

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