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Offline Widewing

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« on: June 05, 2004, 08:27:40 PM »
I believe that the two most important Presidents of the 20th century were Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan. FDR runs a close third.

TR was far and away the most progressive and liberal President on social issues of the first 32 years of the century. At the time of his two terms, he was exactly what the country needed. He changed the basic fabric of the capitalistic system by crushing the oppressive big business trusts. He was America's first "green" thinking President. He was the perfect man for the time.

Ronald Reagan brought the country new hope and used the economic power of the country to force the Soviet Union into economic and idealistic bankruptcy. Quite literally, Reagan's policies ended the Cold War.

Roosevelt died on January 6th, 1919. At the time he was one of the most popular and respected men in the country.

Reagan died today, June 5th 2004. He was still one of the most popular and respected men in the country.

These were very different men, but were the perfect men for the Presidency in their time. I suspect that it will be many years before we see the like of either sitting in the Oval Office.

I don't see any of the current crop coming even close to measuring up to the above mentioned gentlemen. Indeed, we are at a low ebb for quality in politicians. Let's hope that there is an upswing before too long.

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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2004, 09:05:34 PM »
First I heared that he died.
I dont know that he was a greatest president. But he was a historic one. And a strong leader.

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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2004, 11:05:54 PM »
Unfortunately they're probably cheering in San Francisco that he's dead...

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2004, 12:18:27 AM »
Widewing, did you read Flyboys yet?

Not very complimentary of TR.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2004, 12:19:14 AM »
I liked the fact that he had a posative attitude about America.  Alot of democrates at the time looked at America with disdane and hatred for all the bad deeds it had committed.  I think this is were he says "I did not leave the democratic party it left me"

He saw a threat in communism and he dealt w/ it.  This day makes  me sad.

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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2004, 01:13:24 AM »
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Widewing, did you read Flyboys yet?

Not very complimentary of TR.


No, I haven't read it. I'm not sure how Teddy Roosevelt fits into a story about air battles around Chi Chi Jima. Are you sure that you're not confusing Franklin Roosevelt with TR?

But, let's look at what TR accomplished. He organized and eliminated much of the corruption with the NYPD when he was commissioner. He had the smarts to order the Pacific fleet to war footing BEFORE war was declared on Spain (TR was Under-secretary of the Navy). He earned the Congressional Medal of Honor. He won the Nobel Peace Prize. He was responsible for the building of the Panama Canal. He brought down the Business Trusts, TR was responsible for many of the Fair Labor laws that now exist. He began the construction of a modern US battle fleet that rivaled any on earth. He set aside more wilderness as national parks than all other Presidents combined.

Whatever his faults, no President since Lincoln did more for his country than Teddy Roosevelt. When you look at Mount Rushmore, you see Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt.

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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2004, 02:40:21 AM »
Pres. Ronald Reagan was our last President that fit the Leader category.

You may not have liked him, some in Congress didn't like him.  If I remember correctly when he entered Office the majority of both houses were democratic.  Party affiliation not that important.
Anyhow....he got America as a whole, and the Congress also to follow his lead.  Democrats passed his legislation, if the Legislation passed in Congress and Pres. Reagan thought it needed a few tweaks, Pres. Reagan got the tweaks before it came to the White House for his signature.

He was an icon for the word Leader.  He got most to work together.  Pulled this country out of an economic period I remember well.  I bought my first House in 1980 and was paying 13% Interest on a 30 year loan.  Inflation and the economy were in a shambles.  Hostages being held in Iran etc.

The great communicator talked to Americans.  Let them know his plans....explained his policies and reasons for those policies.  When he retired as President of the United States he had the highest approval rating of any American President in History!

Through his work Americans felt better, about many things....including their Country and themselves.  Optimisim became contageous.  And the Country was better for it.

I don't have any particular party affiliation....as a matter of fact I'm not fond of Politicians.  I call Ronald Reagan a leader......not a Politician.  Reason?  He got the country working together.  He actually led from the front....and got the people of the US to follow.

Something I didn't see before his Presidency...except for maybe JFK.....and I've definately not seen the ability to lead...even remotely....... in any President that has been elected since he left Office.

Mr President......Job Well done!
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2004, 09:43:48 AM »
I'm only just into the book but Bradley starts out from an unusual place/view.

He starts from a historical perspective of actions Japan and the Western powers in the Pacific Rim.

So far, he's establishing a link between the barbarity of the "flyboy" killings on Chichi Jima and those earlier times.

Some of TR's actual quotes don't show him in a very favorable light with respect to "human rights" by today's standards.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2004, 09:59:42 AM »
agree with widewing... Teddy and Ron.. best presidents ever.   Perfect for their time.   Would love to have gone shooting or sparred with teddy or hung out on the ranch with Regan.

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2004, 11:58:54 AM »
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I'm only just into the book but Bradley starts out from an unusual place/view.

He starts from a historical perspective of actions Japan and the Western powers in the Pacific Rim.

So far, he's establishing a link between the barbarity of the "flyboy" killings on Chichi Jima and those earlier times.

Some of TR's actual quotes don't show him in a very favorable light with respect to "human rights" by today's standards.


I have read most if not all published quotations of TR's thoughts on Japan and the Japanese. Many display the typical western outlook on oriental societies, which means being less open-minded than we would find appealing today. Nonetheless, TR admired most of the Japanese he met and worked with. During negotiations to end the Russo-Sino war, Japan's chief negotiator Jutaro Komura arrived at the President's Long Island home in Oyster Bay (called Sagamore Hill). TR put him up in the "special guestroom". During his visit, Komura and TR became fast friends. Komura entertained TR's children with exotic stories of Japan at the dinner table. Komura joined TR on hikes, went riding with him in the countryside and participated in family outtings. When Komura left for Washington to continue negotiations with the Russians, he knew he could trust and depend on TR to reel the Russians into negotiating in good faith.

TR was not as impressed with the Russian representative, Sergei Witte. In fact, TR was often harsh in his comments about Russian "buffoonery". He was unimpressed with the Russians, and the Czar in particular.

On the other hand, he was very much impressed with the Japanese. Roosevelt stated that "the Japanese interest me, and I like them very much." Yet, he did not believe that he could put his full weight of trust in them. Again, the ingrained cultural prejudices of the times were difficult for one to overcome, even in one's own thinking. TR felt that Japan was fully capable of presenting one face in public and another to itself. While I discuss TR, I should also point out that the Japanese were far less tolerant of westerners than the west was of Japan. That sword certainly cuts both ways.

He was concerned that the growing influence of the Military in Japan could lead to conflict with America in the not so distant future. Komura had explained how Japan's military leaders saw the US presence in the Philippines as a threat to Japanese nationalism and their self-precieved manifest destiny of dominating the western Pacific. TR stated that he hoped that conflict could be avoided as he "greatly admired the Japanese people." His foresight would prove accurate 30 years later when Japan began expansion on the asian continent.

If you were to visit TR's Sagamore Hill estate, you will find the house decorated with the many gifts he received from Japanese visitors and the Japanese Government, including some marvelous swords and artworks.

While TR personally admired the Japanese, make no mistake that he was very much a man of his times and his thinking, now frowned upon as being prejudicial, was still far more open-minded than his contemporaries. Remember, what we see as being intolerant today was viewed as being extremely liberal at the turn of the 20th century.

Bradley, or any other 21st century historian would be wise to understand that their modern vista must allow for the cultural differences of the era in question when they offer any type of critical analysis, be it of Roosevelt or the Japanese.

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2004, 11:59:57 AM »
I wonder how he would of handled the situation now?

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2004, 12:15:25 PM »
I am saddened....deeply....being the first president that my wife and I had voted for (age restrictions...LOL...) for us it was a bit more personal.

He was a great President in my mind.  I am sad for his family and for the country.  I will miss him.

I salute you Mr Reagan!!!!

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2004, 12:29:12 PM »
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I wonder how he would of handled the situation now?


I am quite sure that TR would have looked to the Saudi's as the root of the problem. It has been Saudi oil money that has financed Islamic extremist groups, and TR believed that evil should be cut off at its source. I'm sure that the "big stick" would have fallen on the Saudi Princes rather than on Iraq.

Without financing, terror is difficult to export. There is plenty of evidence that many millions, perhaps even billions of dollars of Saudi money has been funneled to terrorists since the late 1960s. Saudi Arabia is the First National Bank of terror. TR would have closed the bank.

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2004, 12:30:55 PM »
I am also convinced that Reagan would have done the same thing.

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