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« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2004, 03:24:00 AM »
I don't use Libraries because the govt. keeps track of what you read.....and what your puppy borrows too...

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« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2004, 03:51:18 AM »
Lazs, who was it that looked at gun-related crime in the late 1800s and discovered it was shockingly low?   In the 1800s, everyone not living in a city (very large fraction of the  population) was well armed.

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« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2004, 08:09:38 AM »
hoolign thanks for the tip.

ravs... I will look up the UK Amazon site and get the bok to you as soon as I can.

trotski... if our government was that intrusive and worried about you reading a study on firearms.... I would want to be armed.

curly...  the books by Lott cover only the last few decades and mostly they are the latest data available but It has allways been my understanding that historicaly rural people are armed better and have lower crime rates.

Oh.. beetle.. you should read the book and how the data was collected and what vbariables were taken into consideration...  all of your concerns were adressed and accounted for.   He likens anything affecting the 70% result other than concealed carry to being like flipping a legit coin 10 times and getting heads every time.

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« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2004, 09:05:28 AM »
I'll send the book onto to Beetle when I'm done with it, Lazs.

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« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2004, 09:53:24 AM »
One thing making me wary of lambda citizens toting guns:

I don't know about you, but I'm more often than not appalled by the stupidity and the aggressivity of the average driver. I think that the driving license is given far too easily and available to people who don't have the brains, the coordination and/or the reflexes for driving.
For instance, a private pilot license is much more restricted skillwise but much more realistic with the requirements of safely flying an aircraft.

This leads me to think that Joe Average, allowed to carry a gun, would perform really poorly in such a stressful situation as a shooting.

I wouldn't be against citizens carrying guns IF they are properly screened, trained and regularly checked  (safe handling, shooting, knowledge of law).
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« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2004, 10:19:27 AM »
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edit: while we're on the topic, what's the value in the "concealed carry"?  I mean, if the whole point is that guns deter crime, wouldn't we want the criminals to know that we're armed?  Wouldn't it be more effective to wear holsters in plain sight?  If the deterrance is that the criminal thinks "maybe that guy has a gun in that briefcase, so I won't attack him", then it becomes more cost-effective to not have a gun, since guns cost money to buy.  Just a thought.


I think tht the fact the the would be attacker dosen't know if you are carring or not is a great detterance,  especially if a signifigant number of others "are" really armed.  The only real down side is what do you do with your fire arm when you need to go in to a posted no CC zone .

I do know that in Texas the personal attack numbers were way down after the CC was implemented.  > but a web serch of Tx papers should pull the articles up>

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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2004, 10:24:00 AM »
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I wouldn't be against citizens carrying guns IF they are properly screened, trained and regularly checked  (safe handling, shooting, knowledge of law).


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« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2004, 10:28:42 AM »
Missing or inaccurate data...:rolleyes:

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« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2004, 11:14:24 AM »
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Oh.. beetle.. you should read the book and how the data was collected and what vbariables were taken into consideration...  all of your concerns were adressed and accounted for.   He likens anything affecting the 70% result other than concealed carry to being like flipping a legit coin 10 times and getting heads every time.
Really? Because the largest city in CA is Los Angeles with 3.7 million - replete with ethnic minorities, major gang crime, major drug crime, racial tensions etc. How does one go about comparing a city like LA with Burlington, VT - only one hundredth the size, and unlikely to have any of the problems I've listed for LA in any such magnitude? If Lott can make allowances for those discrepancies, it sounds like he's stumbled upon a formula for comparing apples with oranges.

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« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2004, 12:53:51 PM »
beetle... California is a right to carry state.  You really need to read the book.  the data and charts aren't on the internet for me to link to or cut and paste... it is pages of data and charts with references and explanations on variables.   All I can tell you is that it would answer your questions.

You need to read the book or ask me a specific question..

Oh... and Amazon UK... hope I have better luck on rav's book than I did on beetles.   Tried to send beetle "more guns less crime" and the UK store told me it was backordered.   maybe 6 weeks later they told me they no longer handled it.

deselys... I have no problem with safe gun handling being taught in school like they used to.   Somehow tho red tail would make that into a racial issue I bet.

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« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2004, 02:14:55 PM »
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beetle... California is a right to carry state.  
since when? At your house last Oct., you told me it wasn't.

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« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2004, 02:22:51 PM »
I don't believe I would have done that but... in my county (it is a county by county on how many permits are issued) it is very difficult..  I might have said "no way are you gonna get a permit here"?

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« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2004, 02:33:42 PM »
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... it sounds like he's stumbled upon a formula for comparing apples with oranges.


well, lets see...

The apple, Pyrus malus, also known as Malus pumila and Malus domestica, was probably first eaten, and later cultivated before the dawn of history in central asia, possibly Kazakhstan. It is a member of the rose family, Rosaceae, which includes blackberries, hawthorns, cinquefoils, strawberries, plums, cherries, and of course, roses. Most of the Rosaceae have showy flowers, and fruiting is benefited by cross pollination by insects, especially bees.

While oranges, (Citrus sinensis Osbeck) with numerous cultivated varieties,  constitutes one of the world's most popular and recognizable fruit crops. These fruits are hesperidiums, because of their fleshiness and separable rind. Physically, citrus fruits consist of forty to fifty percent juice, twenty to forty percent rind and twenty to thirty-five percent pulp and seeds. Chemically, they contain eighty-six to ninety-two percent water, five to eight percent sugars and one to two percent pectin with lesser amounts of acids, protein, essential oils and minerals (Janick et. al. 1981).

Citrus fruits grow on small evergreen trees, many of which depend on root mycorrhizae (Janick et. al. 1981). Most of these C3 plants are cultivated as scions on rootstocks. All Citrus species have a diploid chromosome number of eighteen and are interfertile.

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« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2004, 02:38:15 PM »
I believe that Lott would have compared them in just about the same way.... complete with charts and graphs and any possible varribles and arguements from the leading opposssition writers.

really... you guys need to read the book.   He is an economist and he even looks at the whole issue from the standpoint of economy (monetary and human life).

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« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2004, 12:34:14 PM »
Ok ravs... ordered the book from the UK amazon place.   It is being shipped from the states so I don't know how long it will take... Oh, it's a used copy but it was about half price.   Have had good luck with used Amazon books.   Let me know when you get it.

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