Author Topic: 190A8 vs SpitV (Read 4068 times)

GODO · « **on:** June 08, 2004, 07:36:14 PM »

which one should win in a dive from 10k starting with 200 mph?

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 08, 2004, 08:12:03 PM »

A8.

should be a no brainer 190 is heavier and also much better in dive.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #2 on:** June 08, 2004, 08:34:23 PM »

A8 hands down.

Easy to test offline if you have a stop watch.

My 3 year old lost mine, so I'm out of action in the testing department for a while.

Urchin · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2004, 12:20:29 AM »

Win as in hit the deck first? Or win as in the 190 gets away from the Spit?

The 190 will hit the deck first, whether it gets away from the spit is an entirely different matter... the Spit can cut across the angle to close the cap once the 190 pulls out of its dive, and I'm pretty sure it will retain that dive speed a little better.

Glasses · « **Reply #4 on:** June 09, 2004, 12:27:42 AM »

Just HO!(TM)

GODO · « **Reply #5 on:** June 09, 2004, 03:49:31 AM »

With the new AH2 I had the impresion that my A8 was no more able to flee from spits in a dive and unable to catch them when they dive, so yesterday Wilbuz and me tested both planes in dives, as well as SpitIX. The tests were performed from 10k, starting at 200 mph for SpitV/190A8 and 250 mph for SpitIX/190A8, all the planes were loading 50% fuel and A8 was armed with only 2x20mm guns.

We started every test flying level at 10k at the previously mentioned speeds, one plane at the six of the other at very close range (about 250-300 yards) simulating a pursuit.

The result was surprising, both, SpitV and SpitIX gained separation in the dive at a very noticeable rate from the beginning to the end of the dive, 190A8 was able to catch them only after leveling at ground level. 190A8 retained the speed better once the dive ended, but gained speed much slower in the dive itself.

Urchin · « **Reply #6 on:** June 09, 2004, 08:12:11 AM »

Thats odd. Seems backwards to me.

The 190 is heavier than the Spit and has more horsepower, so I would assume it would accelerate faster in the dive.

The Spit is cleaner, so I would assume it would retain its speed better.

Post it in the AH2 forum and see what they say.

Batz · « **Reply #7 on:** June 09, 2004, 08:21:04 AM »

The heavier plane will sustain more speed as they come out of the dive. The plane with the best acceleration will close / extend in the initial part of the dive. I have had np diving away from spits in an a8.

It should be an easy test, some one time their dives.

Diving from a Spit in game maybe deceiving because the incremental range icons.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #8 on:** June 09, 2004, 08:56:32 AM »

No offense to Mandoble, but I'll wait until someone without an agenda posts test results. Even if the testers felt they were recording times accurately, at a subconcious level they may have been doing subtle things to throw off the test results in ways that matched their perceptions.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Wilbus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 09, 2004, 09:46:15 AM »

DMF, the tests weren't made with stop watches, they were made by following the other plane.

Wotan, the incremental icons only exist with enemy icons, not friendly. Friendly icons still show every yard.

Judging from RAF and other WW2 test reports, the 190 should outaccelerate the spit in both level flight and, speciually, in dives.

GODO · « **Reply #10 on:** June 09, 2004, 09:52:01 AM »

DMF, you can perform the test yourself with another nonbiased player. BTW, at least my plane has a non-biased co-pilot onboard.

We did not took times, we just started the typical "pursuit" (both planes diving on WEP one after another from an initial level speed) and 190A8 was unable to follow the spits (V and IX) in the dive.

In any case, by your reply, you are accepting that SpitV or SpitIX should be easily outdived by 190A8 starting at the described alt and speeds, and not the opposite, right?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #11 on:** June 09, 2004, 09:57:18 AM »

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DMF, you can perform the test yourself with another nonbiased player. BTW, at least my plane has a non-biased co-pilot onboard.

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I would not trust myself to perform this test accurately. I would have some stake in the outcome.

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In any case, by your reply, you are accepting that SpitV or SpitIX should be easily outdived by 190A8 starting at the described alt and speeds, and not the opposite, right?

Easily outdive? Define "easily" for me.

-- Todd/Leviathn

GODO · « **Reply #12 on:** June 09, 2004, 10:03:58 AM »

The range was increasing continuously at a noticeable rate, in fact, was so noticeable that even a spit-biased one like you would not have any problem trusting in a test permormed by you and another spit entusiast.

In your opinion, should be this way or just the opposite?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #13 on:** June 09, 2004, 10:28:09 AM »

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The range was increasing continuously at a noticeable rate, in fact, was so noticeable that even a spit-biased one like you would not have any problem trusting in a test permormed by you and another spit entusiast.

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Film? This sounds like typical hyperbole from you.

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In your opinion, should be this way or just the opposite?

Just the opposite? Do you mean that the 190A8 should "easily" pull away from the Spit at a "continuous" and "noticeable" rate? It might pull ahead or away, but that doesn't mean it will do so either easily or noticeably.

The results sound odd but, frankly, coming from you I don't really trust them.

-- Todd/Leviathn

GODO · « **Reply #14 on:** June 09, 2004, 10:54:38 AM »

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Film? This sounds like typical hyperbole from you.
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Wilbus filmed every test, can you provide us with a working film viewer?

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coming from you I don't really trust them.
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Who cares, test it by yourself, it is easy enough.