Author Topic: Range Counters (Read 1594 times)

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #30 on:** June 10, 2004, 08:31:36 PM »

The counters don't bother me 1 bit, earlier today I somehow inadvertently turned the icons off ( don't know how) then as I was flying I saw another plane coming at me, I was like he has no iconith, whats up here? I knew instantly when he banked and turned into me firing it was an enemy plane, I rolled inverted split-S low and behold there was 2 more objects below me, cept they looked like planes, they was close. Heck, they started firing, good thing they had tracers turned on, I eventually got my icons back on, was 2 spits and a 190, I got away but the res does allow for you to judge if a plane is turning , coming, going, etc...so we don't need no stinking icon counters!

Mugzeee · « **Reply #31 on:** June 10, 2004, 09:06:52 PM »

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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
The counters don't bother me 1 bit, earlier today I somehow inadvertently turned the icons off ( don't know how) then as I was flying I saw another plane coming at me, I was like he has no iconith, whats up here? I knew instantly when he banked and turned into me firing it was an enemy plane, I rolled inverted split-S low and behold there was 2 more objects below me, cept they looked like planes, they was close. Heck, they started firing, good thing they had tracers turned on, I eventually got my icons back on, was 2 spits and a 190, I got away but the res does allow for you to judge if a plane is turning , coming, going, etc...so we don't need no stinking icon counters!

Fun isnt it?

Flying without NME icons that is. I have gone into H2H with several other players on ocassion and we fight without Icons. Its a blast. It takes a little getting used to. But a few hours of it. And your back in the groove.

hitech · « **Reply #32 on:** June 11, 2004, 08:25:52 AM »

if(Yards < 1000)
{
   DisplayDist = ((long)(Yards / 200.0f + 0.5f)) * 200;
   sprintf(RangeString,"%.0lf",DisplayDist);
}
   else
{
   DisplayDist = ((long)(Yards / 500.0f + 0.5f)) * 500;
   sprintf(RangeString,"%.1lfK",DisplayDist * 0.001);
}

Any questions?

HiTech

Mugzeee · « **Reply #33 on:** June 11, 2004, 08:28:47 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
if(Yards < 1000)
{
   DisplayDist = ((long)(Yards / 200.0f + 0.5f)) * 200;
   sprintf(RangeString,"%.0lf",DisplayDist);
}
   else
{
   DisplayDist = ((long)(Yards / 500.0f + 0.5f)) * 500;
   sprintf(RangeString,"%.1lfK",DisplayDist * 0.001);
}

Any questions?

HiTech

Nope.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #34 on:** June 11, 2004, 08:30:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Montezuma
People are not shy to disagree on this board.

I like it because it makes you look at the attitude of the other planes. In AH1, you can tell who is moving closer, parallel, or away from you just by reading the billboard. In AH2, you have to actually look at the plane to see what the other guy is doing. I use zoom alot more in AH2.

Exactly... Remove NME ICONS. Also remove ALL radar.
No...im not kidding. Most ppl hate flying without Radar because they know the NME has the distict advantage of having radar while they do not. But if All Dar was removed it would be an even playing field. This would encourage "Winging" like you have never seen before. And SA? Well......we would soon grow EYSE in the back of our heads like never before. Chk 6's wouldnt be near as much of an issue because we would learn to fly with a DWM (Designated Wing Man) instead of expecting a fellow countryman to drop everything he or she is doing and adopt us as "Temporary Wingman" as we pass through his or her air space and then git peeved off cause he/her didnt cover our smelly sixes.

Tilt · « **Reply #35 on:** June 11, 2004, 09:18:05 AM »

I'll try.......

5750 to 6000 as 6.0K

5250 to 5749 as 5.5K

4750 to 5249 as 5.0K

4250 to 4749 as 4.5K

3750 to 4249 as 4.0K

3250 to 3749 as 3.5K

2750 to 3249 as 3.0k

2250 to 2749 as 2.5K

1750 to 2249 as 2.0K

1250 to 1749 as 1.5K

1000 to 1249 as 1.0K

900 to 999 as 1000

700 to 899 as 800

500 to 699 as 600

300 to 499 as 400

100 to 299 as 200

0 to 99 as 0

?

detch01 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 11, 2004, 09:26:21 AM »

Early in the year for chits and giggles I flew in the CT for a couple of weeks without enemy icons. After the first couple of days there didn't seem to be a lot of difference except for having to close into within 400yds to identify the plane type and having some difficulty picking out enemy aircraft coming in below me. This was on a 17" monitor at 1024x768x32 resolution. I wouldn't recommend it for the MA but I think it would be good in something like what was announced as intended for TOD where the missions are designed to drop players into a fight - ditto radar on the clipboard map.

Adogg · « **Reply #37 on:** June 11, 2004, 09:57:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
it lets mediocre pilots and those with lag survive longer.

Yup my survival rate is way up. Combined with floppy-fish system of forcing the overshoot I should be uber until someone realizes the error of their ways.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #38 on:** June 11, 2004, 12:27:59 PM »

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Originally posted by detch01
Early in the year for chits and giggles I flew in the CT for a couple of weeks without enemy icons. After the first couple of days there didn't seem to be a lot of difference except for having to close into within 400yds to identify the plane type and having some difficulty picking out enemy aircraft coming in below me. This was on a 17" monitor at 1024x768x32 resolution. I wouldn't recommend it for the MA but I think it would be good in something like what was announced as intended for TOD where the missions are designed to drop players into a fight - ditto radar on the clipboard map.

Why not in MA?

Frost · « **Reply #39 on:** June 11, 2004, 12:47:12 PM »

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Don’t assume your own inabilities apply to everyone else.

The inability to see details on a computer screen compared to the same situation in real life does apply to everyone. I have no problem with the current system in AHII. I was commenting to the fact that "skill" has less to do with it than the capabilities and resolution of the particular monitor you are playing on.

nopoop · « **Reply #40 on:** June 11, 2004, 12:54:37 PM »

I've found I have starting watching the PLANE instead of the range counter..

Just might be the whole idea behind it ??

Go figure.

Wotan · « **Reply #41 on:** June 11, 2004, 01:29:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Frost
The inability to see details on a computer screen compared to the same situation in real life does apply to everyone. I have no problem with the current system in AHII. I was commenting to the fact that "skill" has less to do with it than the capabilities and resolution of the particular monitor you are playing on.

We have much more info on our computer screens then rl....

If some one can learn and or adapt to the current AH2 icons then they have developed the skill to do so, certainly more then what it takes to read a range counter.

As kweassa pointed out you don’t see things all that "clearly" in rl.

I can tell what a con is doing past icon range by watching him at 1024x768x32 resolution; which is about the standard nowadays.

Playing other games without any icon info what so ever (like FB/AEP) there’s a real difference in "skill" between the new guy and vet. Same with the icons in AH2. The more experience some one gains the more "skill" they have in recognizing what’s what.

As np said instead of watching the icon alone folks will start observing the plane itself.

This is a skill just like gunnery or anything else and not wholly dependent on screen res or monitor size.

JB73 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 11, 2004, 01:59:15 PM »

sorry gotta poke my head in here...

no i do not like the new icons. its HTC's game and they can do what they want. i will continue to play and im not going to whine to HTC about it.

why do you ask?

i have a 17" moniter that supports 1280x1024 but only at 55hz. hence i only play 1024 x 768 at the max 80hz.

with the graphic problems i have been having, reading icons is meaningless. i can see outlines of planes ok i guess, but telling which they are withough being in game under 200 is impossible. as it is i have to sit hunched forward about 8 inches from the screen to see the enemy planes at all above D800.

my eyesight is not great, and i can not afford better equipment. if you see any of my other posts i dont have a bad system, but it is not "top of the line".

if i have problems with seeing planes, imagine someone older than 31. also imagine somone who has never flown a fight sim before.

what does seeing the planes have to do with icons? well for those of you with deep pockets, and good eyesight you have a major advantage in the air. the old AH icons helped "even" that out. i could get as much information about the enemy plane as somone playing on a 21" with some insaine 2000 pixel plus resolution at 120hz.

like i said above, im not going to whine about it, just state my facts, and quick opinion on the situation. i will not respond to some jerk who says "go get a better moniter" or something, since they didnt bother to read my whole post.

and see you in the air (possibly, otherwise i will have gone blind from eyestrain LOL)

im bad with words sometimes, so i want to clairify my position... the original post after re reading it sounds rmabling, and i have no clue how to fix it LOL.

i just personally dont care for the new system, prefer the old, and have never liked the "CT" or "event" settings. i know things change, but after 3 some years flying i see this new system making me so much worse that is saddening to fly.

i know you will say "i'll adjust" or whatever, but i just dont see that happening with the inability to see if a plane is turning, level, comming at me, moving away, and anything other than a black blob im trying to get close enough to to shoot.

i'll keep trying, and just dont laugh at me when you repeatdly shoot me down.

Frstrm · « **Reply #43 on:** June 11, 2004, 02:29:08 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
if(Yards < 1000)
{
   DisplayDist = ((long)(Yards / 200.0f + 0.5f)) * 200;
   sprintf(RangeString,"%.0lf",DisplayDist);
}
   else
{
   DisplayDist = ((long)(Yards / 500.0f + 0.5f)) * 500;
   sprintf(RangeString,"%.1lfK",DisplayDist * 0.001);
}

Any questions?

HiTech

if(Yards < 1000)
{
   DisplayDist = ((long)(Yards / 100.0f + 0.5f)) * 100;
   sprintf(RangeString,"%.0lf",DisplayDist);
}
   else
{
   DisplayDist = ((long)(Yards / 250.0f + 0.5f)) * 250;
   sprintf(RangeString,"%.1lfK",DisplayDist * 0.001);
}

hitech · « **Reply #44 on:** June 11, 2004, 02:46:42 PM »

Thanks Frstrm, At last a post I can understand.

HiTech