Author Topic: Nobody can tell me... (Read 8688 times)

Pongo · « **Reply #90 on:** June 10, 2004, 01:33:31 AM »

George Orwell couldnt have invented a more obsured military action then the invasion of Iraq by the US. But the defense of it here would fit right in 1984

Sandman · « **Reply #91 on:** June 10, 2004, 01:34:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Would you consider that he might have hidden/buried what he had? Shipped it to Syria?

To what end? The enemy is at the gates. What is gained by continuing to hoard a weapon away? I hear this hypothesis quite frequently and it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Steve · « **Reply #92 on:** June 10, 2004, 01:36:42 AM »

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To what end? The enemy is at the gates. What is gained by continuing to hoard a weapon away? I hear this hypothesis quite frequently and it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Well, he received resolutions to disarm long before the enemy was at the gates. Inspectors coming in as well.

Did he not believe we would come in? Possibly.

So, you are willing to surmise that the intelligence of the entire free world, including the U.N was wrong?

Sandman · « **Reply #93 on:** June 10, 2004, 01:39:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Steve
So, you are willing to surmise that the intelligence of the entire free world, including the U.N was wrong?

I'm betting it wouldn't be the first time.

Steve · « **Reply #94 on:** June 10, 2004, 01:42:39 AM »

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I'm betting it wouldn't be the first time.

Isn't it moot?

Every country that commented on the WMD issue said that Iraq possessed WMD.

Let's say you are the President. Are you saying you are going to not do anythign because the intelligence of the entire free world was wrong in the past?

On the world scale, do you disagree that it is better off w/ out Hussein?

Do you consider suicide bombers to be terrorists?

Maniac · « **Reply #95 on:** June 10, 2004, 08:01:08 AM »

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What makes you guys so angry over the war in Iraq? Can you list some reasons?

Because the war was sold on lies.

lazs2 · « **Reply #96 on:** June 10, 2004, 08:06:27 AM »

I guess the way I'm looking at it is... the sadman had been working on nuclear weapons (among others)before. He would do it again the second we left him alone If he wasn't doing it all along. the world and the U.S. is better off without him... no one else was gonna do anything.

crappy job but it needed to be done.

lazs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #97 on:** June 10, 2004, 09:05:35 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I guess the way I'm looking at it is... the sadman had been working on nuclear weapons (among others)before. He would do it again the second we left him alone If he wasn't doing it all along. the world and the U.S. is better off without him... no one else was gonna do anything.

crappy job but it needed to be done.

lazs

Thats about it in a nutshell

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #98 on:** June 10, 2004, 09:11:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
I think Spiderman can beat the hell out of Batman.

Now on THAT point I'll agree with you

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #99 on:** June 10, 2004, 09:13:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
Because the war was sold on lies.

And that hasnt been proven yet. One way or the other.

As I incorrectly said on another post I will correctly say now.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

Just about everyone From The Clinton administration to russia stated he possessed WMDs
the only difference between the Bush administration and just about everyone else with the exeption of our allies is he had the guts to actually do something about it now rather then wait for a potentially far more dangerous adversary later.

Hortlund · « **Reply #100 on:** June 10, 2004, 09:21:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
850+ have died and no sign of any WMD.

Wrong.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/25/iraq.main/

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #101 on:** June 10, 2004, 09:32:41 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Sometimes it an be difficult to argue with a pre-1965 smart arse, but I'm sticking to logic.

Well we know North Korea had WMD in abundance, so why not go in there like gangbusters and change the regime? By your own account, we should make damn sure these people don't use them.

Iraq was never about WMD or AQ. It never was. It's all about GW's inferiority complex regarding Bush One with the belief that this will put him "one up" on his dad. He's been trying to outdo him his entire life.

Iran had nuclear technology superior to Iraq.
AQ has links to saudi royalty.
NK has an active nuclear weapons program.

Where's the war cry from the administration with these states?

I'm listening.................... .....

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #102 on:** June 10, 2004, 09:37:14 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

the only difference between the Bush administration and just about everyone else with the exeption of our allies is he had the guts to actually do something about it now rather then wait for a potentially far more dangerous adversary later.

Or maybe his was the only administration zealous enough to get suckered intoan unwinnable situation by creating a war that would unite the Middle East against the United States in a way no one ever could...

Hortlund · « **Reply #103 on:** June 10, 2004, 09:39:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Or maybe his was the only administration zealous enough to get suckered intoan unwinnable situation by creating a war that would unite the Middle East against the United States in a way no one ever could...

You seem to be living in a different reality from the rest of us.

Modas · « **Reply #104 on:** June 10, 2004, 09:52:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Nuke, the lesson I took from VietNam was that you can't "make other people free". They have to want it bad enough to die for it themselves.

Yeah, we're going to "make them free". For a while; maybe even a decade or so. But it's a coin toss whether or not they stay that way.

Personally, I don't think it was worth one US soldier's life to "make them free". If they were really that miserable, they'd have killed the bassich themselves somehow.

Told ya I was in a cranky mood tonight.

THANK YOU TOAD!!!

I've stated this more than once on this BBS. Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Want to be free? Gotta fight for it and die for it. It makes you appreciate it and defend it later on. "Give" someone freedom, and there is no "investment" on their part and no incentive to protect it later on.