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Offline 68DevilM

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« on: June 11, 2004, 03:25:34 PM »
why do we have worthless planes like the p40?

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2004, 03:29:14 PM »
Stanky.

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2004, 03:34:02 PM »
P40 isn't  worthless, it provides a variety of choice for the people who like a challenge.  or like the historical aspect of the P40 models. ( YMMV )
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2004, 03:57:07 PM »
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why do we have worthless planes like the p40?


there are no worthless planes - only worthless pilots.

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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2004, 04:02:15 PM »
I get to feeling really "Worthless" when somone like Shane or Furball shoots me down with a P40 while I'm in a LA7.:eek:
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2004, 04:03:26 PM »
wow

I take offense.

grab yourself an la7 and I'll show you how worthless P40s are
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2004, 04:14:04 PM »
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why do we have worthless planes like the p40?



what????

P40, no way!

BTW, I've had a blast in the 202, super, super manueverable, and it's fun to get it on in the clown plane, think alt.

The reason some planes aren't used very much is because you gotta actually "think out of the box" to fly them. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd probably be flying them more.

I think AH2 is going to change that bag o' tricks somewhat too. Especially that Ki, someone was eating my lunch in it the other day, I haven't flown it yet, but I'm going to check it out tonight.

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2004, 04:17:27 PM »
somone has yet to prove to me there is a use for the 202

other than chest pounding by decent sticks when they land a few kills in 1.

i mean it has no chance aginst the hurri 1, and spit 1. they can both turn circles around it, and zoom climb better from what i have found. arent those the only "historical" match-ups we have for it?

IIRC it spent alot of time over the water preying on defensless planes like torp bombers and such (liek that jap plane we have that only carries torps).

would be nice to see the 202 get the cannon gun package i have read about, and seen posted here.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2004, 04:44:44 PM »
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somone has yet to prove to me there is a use for the 202

other than chest pounding by decent sticks when they land a few kills in 1.

i mean it has no chance aginst the hurri 1, and spit 1. they can both turn circles around it, and zoom climb better from what i have found. arent those the only "historical" match-ups we have for it?

IIRC it spent alot of time over the water preying on defensless planes like torp bombers and such (liek that jap plane we have that only carries torps).

would be nice to see the 202 get the cannon gun package i have read about, and seen posted here.


Hmm, I think it's fun to fly around, but you are correct that the guns are weak. A little better guns would make alot of difference.
I think for a gunnery ace, which I'm not, it would be a good choice.
I guess I like that it is sorta fast and turns so well. I think performance wise it's much better than the Hurri And Spit models you compare it to. JMHO, though.

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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2004, 04:52:15 PM »
I've landed 7 kills in the C202, its not worthless though I suspect your skills are... :aok

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2004, 04:54:55 PM »
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there are no worthless planes - only worthless pilots.

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2004, 04:59:30 PM »
Sorry 73, you mentioned maybe the only 2 planes that can own the 202. I take out Spit5-9s, Hurri II, La5s not to mention the many other planes not seen often in the MA. The guns are not weak, they just wont kill anything with one burst. Imagine trying to have to work to maintain a gun solution. That's the fun for me in 202s and 109Es and 110C4bs.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2004, 05:18:29 PM »
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i mean it has no chance aginst the hurri 1, and spit 1. they can both turn circles around it, and zoom climb better from what i have found. arent those the only "historical" match-ups we have for it?


You're kidding, right?

Fly the CT when they have a North African setup running. A Hurricane Mk.I is utterly outclassed by the 202. Moreover, the Spitfire Mk.I isn't much better off. There is a significant speed and climb advantage for the 202, and it's maneuverability is such that you can take advantage of mistakes very quickly. Despite the weak guns, you can do very well against the BoB duo using a C.202.

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2004, 05:45:09 PM »
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why do we have worthless planes like the p40?
LOL!  I often wonder that myself, especially as most will fly the P51/LA7/Spit übertrio no matter what new planes are introduced.

I guess the P40 is a piece of crap. Colonel F. Gabreski certainly thought so.

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2004, 05:47:02 PM »
I still remember a 202 flight from long ago.  I took off of Furball island on the NDIsles map to investigate a large clump of red dots heading south, just east of the island.  For some reason I grabbed a C.202.

As I neared the contact I sighted them and it became clear that it was a group of three B-17Gs (This was before the days of bomber formations) escorted by three single engined fighters.  They were at about 15k, well above me.

As I moved to position myself behind and below the B-17s the icons appeared and revealed the fighters as two F4Us and one P-51D.

Once I was in positon about 5k below and 12k behind the B-17s I began to slowly climb up the bomber's six like an idiot.  The whole time I played the idiot I was watching the fighters, betting that they wouldn't do the smart thing and let the bombers eat the idiot C.202 for lunch (I mean, who attacks a B-17 formation from the low six in a C.202?!?).

After climbing for a bit all three fighters dove on me.  I rolled out of the way and all three did flat break turns to get back to me.  I saddled up on the P-51D and gave it a long burst scoring hits along the fuselage, putting an oil leak into it and taking off a flap or some such.  The P-51D dove away and never returned, must've nursed it home as I never got a kill or assist.  As soon as the P-51D dove away I did a break turn to the left to avoid the F4Us that were just getting saddled up on me.  One of the F4Us dove to get speed while the other stayed in a decsending turn with me.  Shortly I was behind him and with sustained fire took his wing off.  The last F4U having gained some E from his dive was zooming back up to me so I rolled and turned away from his fire.  We twisted and turned trying to gain a good shot, shortly ending up on the deck with me 200 yards behind him and with a speed of about 150mph.  At that speed, range and altitude he couldn't run without offering me a free kill, so he was twisting, rolling and turning as hard as he could in that F4U.  I was peppering him with shots, but I couldn't get a solid hit as he was moving too wildly.  After about a minute of this he finally lost it and spun into the ocean.

I only landed two kills, but I had a lot of fun stripping a B-17 formation of all of it's late war escorts with my lowly C.202.

That happened about three years ago I guess.


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