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« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2004, 04:14:33 AM »
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But if you are going to say that the P40 is a worthless plane I am going to say it isn't. And them Im going prove it.
Maybe not worthless, but disadvantaged in the current MA. After all, what use is the P40 chasing after P51 or LA7? Remember, those are your most likely adversaries. And what form would your "proof" take? A duel in the DA? Hardly what I'd call proof. But many people cite DA duelling results as proof of what a plane can do, and whilst the results can be interesting, they are hardly indicative of how well a plane (eg. P40) is going to do in the MA, which is an entirely different scenario.

As I said, I have been killed only three times by a P40 since it was introduced to AH. As a measure of its worth in the MA, that's all I need to know.

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« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2004, 07:24:17 AM »
i flew the p40e for the first time in a couple of months and well....its much better than i thought...or they havnt "broken" it yet with AHII....
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« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2004, 11:11:23 AM »
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Maybe not worthless, but disadvantaged in the current MA. After all, what use is the P40 chasing after P51 or LA7? Remember, those are your most likely adversaries. And what form would your "proof" take? A duel in the DA? Hardly what I'd call proof. But many people cite DA duelling results as proof of what a plane can do, and whilst the results can be interesting, they are hardly indicative of how well a plane (eg. P40) is going to do in the MA, which is an entirely different scenario.

As I said, I have been killed only three times by a P40 since it was introduced to AH. As a measure of its worth in the MA, that's all I need to know.


that was kinda of my intended result of this post, at least someone gets me!

i dont know must not be speaking the right language in here:confused:

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« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2004, 11:20:17 AM »
ohh and hey octavious

gonna have to probably push that duel back a little if its too be in ah2

tryed it out last night again and have to say im preety impressed with most of the new improvments but man i can barely hit a plane with my guns, dont know if its the new look of the tracers or because every time i get on someones six my frame resoulution drops from like 86 to 12 and freeze stop freeze stop!

anyway to tweek my video card performance suggestions would be greatly appreciated

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« Reply #79 on: June 14, 2004, 05:10:15 AM »
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As I said, I have been killed only three times by a P40 since it was introduced to AH. As a measure of its worth in the MA, that's all I need to know.

That's because only 3 have reached 35k.  :p

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« Reply #80 on: June 14, 2004, 05:37:53 AM »
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That's because only 3 have reached 35k.  :p
Oh touché, très amusant, mon ami. But it's getting old. Thought you could have thought up something more witty than that. It only took you 25 hours. :rolleyes:

But nonetheless, not exactly unexpected from a SpitV woop-de-doop wannabe.
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« Reply #81 on: June 14, 2004, 08:02:17 AM »
can you FEEL the love? ;)
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« Reply #82 on: June 14, 2004, 08:21:26 AM »
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can you FEEL the love? ;)
Good Evening! I'm from Essex, in case you couldn't tell. My given name is Dicky, I come from Billericay - and I'm doing... very well!

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« Reply #83 on: June 14, 2004, 08:31:17 AM »
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Good Evening! I'm from Essex, in case you couldn't tell. My given name is Dicky, I come from Billericay - and I'm doing... very well!


oohh :) Hornchurch here ;)
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« Reply #84 on: June 14, 2004, 11:04:53 AM »
For me the P40B is a coffin, it is a 40 ENY.  

Also with same 40 ENY:

Hurricane II C
KI61
F4F
P47D11
Mossie
La5
205
F4U1

P40B isnt in the same league.  P40E has same eny as a P51B too - that dont sound right either, but at least it has a nice rack of 50's.

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« Reply #85 on: June 14, 2004, 01:08:24 PM »
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Maybe not worthless, but disadvantaged in the current MA. After all, what use is the P40 chasing after P51 or LA7? Remember, those are your most likely adversaries.
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Sorry for the late reply, but I just read this now.  

I think that situation is a little fubar in the first place.  I normally fly planes deemed 'worthless' by the thread starter and I am surprised to find the planes, possessing much more capability with equal pilots, running from P40s, 202s, and others (well, notsomuch surprised anymore - it happens too often :))

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As I said, I have been killed only three times by a P40 since it was introduced to AH. As a measure of its worth in the MA, that's all I need to know.


For me, I dont think that would be an accurate measuring tool.  Killed 3 times by a P40 can also be due to its severe non-usage :)  All things being equal and based on percentage of kills by each aircraft in the MA, the average pilot would be killed many more times by La7s, Spits, and P51D than a P40.  

Disadvantaged in the MA?  Of course, thats one small reason why I fly it.  Capable?  In my hands, I am confident.  Worthless?  No.
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« Reply #86 on: June 14, 2004, 01:13:17 PM »
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For me the P40B is a coffin, it is a 40 ENY.  

Also with same 40 ENY:

Hurricane II C
KI61
F4F
P47D11
Mossie
La5
205
F4U1

P40B isnt in the same league.  P40E has same eny as a P51B too - that dont sound right either, but at least it has a nice rack of 50's.


hehe, ditto ditto and ditto!

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=80675&referrerid=3089 !!!
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« Reply #87 on: June 14, 2004, 01:45:52 PM »
The P-40 we got should've been a P-40N.  

Bring the P-40N with the big white skull on the side to AH2!




This is the 80th Fighter Group P-40N.  All of them had a skull on the side, but no two plane had the same skull design.  Here's another one from the 80th:

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« Reply #88 on: June 14, 2004, 01:49:06 PM »
So ya think the P40 is worthless do ya?

This sortie was flown last night. Cons all over, no rearms.

Eat your heart out P40 haterz!:mad:
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« Reply #89 on: June 14, 2004, 02:01:25 PM »
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For me, I dont think that would be an accurate measuring tool.  Killed 3 times by a P40 can also be due to its severe non-usage :)  All things being equal and based on percentage of kills by each aircraft in the MA, the average pilot would be killed many more times by La7s, Spits, and P51D than a P40.  
I agree entirely. But now ask yourself WHY it is so underused? Becoming clearer now? :aok

Yes, the average pilot is likely to be killed more often by P51/LA7 than anything else - not only because they're about the fastest nonperk prop planes in the game, but also because they're the most heavily used and there will be more of them than anything else. I checked my stats for my last complete tour (T49) and saw that the plane that killed me the most was P51D. But what I also saw was that the P51D/LA7/Spit ix were in my top 5 fighter planes killed. It's always that way for me, and if you were to look at the scores of any accomplished player, you would see the same thing: Those three planes will be amongst the top five that any accomplished player killed the most.

My relationship with the F4U is like yours with the P40. My Hog is slower, worse climbing, worse turning, and less manoeuvrable than both the P51 and LA7, and the Spit ix beats it on all those counts except speed. What this means is that I can't just go into any old fight with impunity, and expect to come out of it. Tactics play a greater role - the need to out-think the enemy, anticipate where he will appear and at what alt, and be there waiting for him - with a 5K advantage of course! ;)

Morpheus - nice, but I'd need to see the film before passing judgement. That pic proves nothing. How do we know you haven't got a couple of 2-week accounts set up? OK, I know you well enough to know you wouldn't do that, but you see my point.

Now Morpheus, I have opened a bottle of 1998 Spanish red wine - I may need you to clear my 6 a few times later on!