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Offline Easyscor

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« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2004, 01:50:29 AM »
We need to fill out the Axis planes and add some more bombers but some of us like to dogfight with A20s even in the MA and the P61 would be even better for us.

Course, I had a model of one as a kid and always loved that plane.:aok
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« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2004, 01:52:28 AM »
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We need to fill out the Axis planes and add some more bombers but some of us like to dogfight with A20s even in the MA and the P61 would be even better for us.

Try the Mossie and 110G-2.
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« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2004, 06:34:22 AM »
was looking at the f-15 FM
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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2004, 07:43:24 AM »
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I think you could answer that yourself by telling us what it would get used for?

It was a purpose built night fighter that was rarely used othewise was it not? We never get much past dusk/dawn here and have all the radar info you'd want in any of the planes so where does the night fighter fit in?

Don't get me wrong I think its a neato lookin plane but I just don't see the point of it. Something more along the lines of a Ki-43 or a P-39 would get a lot more use I'd think. And not that they'd prolly be used a lot at that outside of events or the CT!


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I see it used in an A20 like role only with the ability to fight better.
Much like the Vader did in AW.
I seem to remember reading someplace where it did quite a few of these things and while it was primaraly designed as a night fighter it wasnt only used at night. Or as only a fighter.
I'll haveta look for the link and put it up later

LOL what a plane  was designed for  and how it was used in Real life has very little to do with what it is used for here.
LOL Im still waiting to see the after action reports of real life C47's doing loops with troops on board to get away from enemy fighters and B-17' and lancasters on treetop level and dive bombing runs LOL
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« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2004, 07:45:53 AM »
"was looking at the f-15 FM"

The recon plane.


AHA!!   Just what AH needs in an MA environment where every plane has built in AWACS, bases blink indicating attack and the omnipresent icons telegraph every planes position to all for miles around!

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« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2004, 09:40:15 AM »
YES!
Bring a -61B (from the end of the production run, with the turret reinstalled) to AH!.

Where the hell is Ripsnort?!?  This bird wouldn't be a hanger queen, there are several people who would fly her.  And she could deceptively well, would be great for catching the noobs unawares.  And drano on the roookies would try to follow you up if her vertical performance is that dismal.. I damn sure wouldn't.

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« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2004, 10:02:21 AM »
I would fly her.

I would make sweet, sweet love to her.

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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2004, 10:52:18 AM »
Lots of planes should come to AH before P-61

There are lack of eary war planes:
  • I-16
  • Yak-1
  • Pe-2
  • Do-17
  • He-111
  • Bristol Blenheim


Also some late war PTO planes needed like Ki-84

So......... lets fill historical holes in setups before..........

and then B-29, P-61 etc ;)
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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2004, 10:57:14 AM »
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I would fly her.

I would make sweet, sweet love to her.
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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2004, 12:47:08 PM »
"NASM's Black Widow is a P-61C-1-NO, U. S. Army Air Forces serial number 43-8330. Northrop delivered it to the Army on July 28, 1945. "

"The P-61 Black Widow was the first United States aircraft designed from the start to find and destroy other aircraft at night and in bad weather. It served in combat for only the final year of World War II but flew in the European, Mediterranean, Pacific, and China-Burma-India theaters. Black Widow crews destroyed 127 enemy aircraft and 18 robot V-1 buzz bombs ."

"Northrop test pilot Vance Breeze flew the aircraft on May 26, 1942. Although the Black Widow was nearly as large as a medium bomber,  it was a true fighter. The only prohibited flight maneuvers were outside loops, sustained inverted flight, and deliberate spins.

"Combat operations began just after D-Day (June 6) and the Black Widows quickly departed from their original role as defensive interceptors and became aggressors. They flew deep into German airspace, bombing and strafing trains and road traffic and making travel difficult for the enemy by day and at night. "


source: National Air and Space Museum, Smithsonian Institution
http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/northrop_p61.htm


Deliveries of the initial production series aircraft, the P-61A, began in October 1943, and these became operative the following year. The were used in both the Europe and Pacific theaters.  

Beginning in August 1944, the first of the second version, the P-61B (450 built) was delivered. In this B version the aircraft’s already powerful armament was increased with the installation of wing supports capable of carrying four 1,602 lb bombs, or supplementary fuel tanks.

The last version, the P-61C, strengthened above all in engine power with the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-73’s which were supercharged and rated at 2,839 hp. Only 41 of the this version were built, out of an order for 517.

source: http://www.qsl.net/n3yqh/WWII/p61.htm


Specifications for P-61B:


Type: 3 seat night fighter
Powerplant: two 2,000hp Pratt and Whitney R-2800 Double Waso radials
Performance: Max speed 366mph; 20,000ft in 6.8 minutes; range 1,350miles.
Armament: Four 20mm cannon and four .50-calibre machine guns
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« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2004, 08:03:26 PM »
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The P-61 of WWII had a top speed of around 360 mph.  Nothing eye-popping there.

What it DID have was exceptional turning capability.  With full flaps it could outturn almost every American fighter...the only exceptions being the FM-2 and the P-63.  It's turning ability was almost identical to that of the F6F-5...in fact it was slightly better.

So there would be some use for it in the ma.



The P-38M was faster and more manueverable than the P-61 and gave the USAAC a night fighter that could reach 406mph at 15,000ft compared to the 369mph the P-61 was able to reach at 20,000ft.  With the addition to the second pilot and radar in the nose, the P-38M suffered very, very little in performance penalties over the P-38L.

So in other words...P-38 pwns the P-61 :c)



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« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2004, 08:27:03 PM »
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So in other words...P-38 pwns the P-61 :c)



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Yea but we already have 1 p38.
we dont have any P61's:D

I agree we could use some other varients of existing planes.
But I'd also like to see different planes intoduced into the game  as well rather then just different varients of current ones
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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2004, 08:32:04 PM »
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Originally posted by artik
Lots of planes should come to AH before P-61

There are lack of eary war planes:
  • I-16
  • Yak-1
  • Pe-2
  • Do-17
  • He-111
  • Bristol Blenheim


Also some late war PTO planes needed like Ki-84

So......... lets fill historical holes in setups before..........

and then B-29, P-61 etc ;) [/B]


What we need the B29 for? 90% of high alt bombers cant hit what they drop on now. You really think dropping more bombs will make a difference? LOL

Note I said "90%" which means there are some that can
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