FM Changes

[Delirium]

This snap roll manuver was able to be performed in AH1, but with the gunnery model in AH1 it was a death sentence. I used to do it to my wingmates to annoy them in AH1, but for pure comic relief.

Originally posted by jaxxo
he chops throttle and puts plane in rolling stall move flopping around like a fish..I over shoot of course but when I look back hes still flopping to the earth...  

[Morpheus]

".....icing on the cake."

Well put and just how I feel.

[nopoop]

I'd be curious in seeing the numbers. It's possible the 38L here was really a homoginized 38, with AHII making it more of an L type than homoginized.

My only reason for saying this is over the hill they had the J and the L model. I spent alot of time in both.  The L model was NOT a knife fighter, it was more of a speed fighter similar to the 51. You didn't turn fight in it. Higher speed, higher speed before compression became an issue, a faster fighter that wasn't "good" slow, it tended to wallow a bit.

When you wanted to turn fight, you flew a J.  The J was an animal turn fighting, wasn't as fast, compression came in at a lower speed. But very dangerous in a turn fight.

Just got the impression that here the 38 was a mixture of the two.

Could be wrong. But if I am ???

IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN WRONG IN MY ENTIRE LIFE !!

Are these guys doing a snap roll ?? I haven't tried one but if the fm handles it, chop throttle at manuvering speed and yank the stick back and add hard rudder and if accurate, you should be able to snap roll it. That would be putting on the brakes big time.

In a Cessna 150 she snaps great, release your control pressure and she comes right out of it.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by pellik

I know gunnery is different. Has anyone figured out all the changes to it in the new system? I could really use some pointers in how to adjest my leading for high angle shots.

-pellik

Many ppl report that the "Gunnery" has not changed. Actually it has. They are confusing "Ballistics" with "Gunnery". Gunnery refers to ones ability to use guns. As in “Gunnery skill”
Supposedly the ballistics haven’t changed. But the Hit Bubble is smaller. A smaller hit bubble = different "Gunnery" ie. You have to aim more accuratly to hit your target.
Gunnery has changed. Better for some. Worse for majority.

[Mathman]

200 yard shots are easy to miss when you have your convergence set to something else.  Bullets do not fly in a straight line.  They fly in a parabolic path.  Once they leave the barrel, they start to drop right away.  In order for the bullets to meet at the center of the gunsight at the convergence range, the guns must be pointed up to some degree.  The following is a picture (where the ballistics are exagerated to emphasize the point) showing how it is easy to miss at 200 yards when your convergence is set to 400.

[thrila]

Originally posted by Mugzeee

Supposedly the ballistics haven’t changed. But the Hit Bubble is smaller. .

I didn't think AH had hit bubbles.  I've not found gunnery any more difficult personally.

Mathman nice chart.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by thrila
I didn't think AH had hit bubbles.  I've not found gunnery any more difficult personally.

Mathman nice chart.

Maybe i spoke too soon.. I personally dont have any proof that AH2 has or has not Hit bubbles or if they are smaller or not. Im trusting that several of our more reputable "Aces" that have stated that the "Hit bubble" is smaller, know what they are talking about. Glad to hear you arent having problems with gunnery. But I am convinced that the majority of players are. I asked online the other day if anyone else was having gunnery troubles.. Bout 3 or 4 said no...bout 15 said yes.

[Kweassa]

HT, Pyro, and Skuzzy all say that AH never had 'hit bubbles' - neither AH1 nor AH2.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Kweassa
HT, Pyro, and Skuzzy all say that AH never had 'hit bubbles' - neither AH1 nor AH2.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Mathman
200 yard shots are easy to miss when you have your convergence set to something else.  Bullets do not fly in a straight line.  They fly in a parabolic path.  Once they leave the barrel, they start to drop right away.  In order for the bullets to meet at the center of the gunsight at the convergence range, the guns must be pointed up to some degree.  The following is a picture (where the ballistics are exagerated to emphasize the point) showing how it is easy to miss at 200 yards when your convergence is set to 400.

If my memory serves me today, ballistic drop for a typical BMG .50 round is only about 10 inches at 400 yards, 3 to 4 inches at 200 yards. If they're missing at 400 yards, there's another reason behind it.

My regards,

Widewing

[Manedew]

well I for one find the 38 more nimble than AH1

The AH1 38 feels like it's on 'rails'.....  IMHO this is because of half the airflow points from ah1 to ah2

the 38 has been torqueing a little left on takeoff ... but I think this is minor bug ... and hasn't affected my flying of the 38...

It really is more nimble than in ah1 .....


and on gunnery

also remember that '400' market in ah2 starts at proably d500 or so .... and ends around d300  

So are you  thinking your target is closer than his is when you fire .. or farther away ?  


here's another hint,

Stop looking at the icons when shooting

[killnu]

i didnt like the 38 in AH2 when first flyin it, but love it now.   took some getting use to, but it still a killer.
~S~

[38ruk]

Ive noticed the slow speed stabilty is gone in the new 38 ..especially with 2 notched of flaps ... also it seem like it has also lost lift on the deck, u definetly see it when pullin out of a hammerhead at low alt. Roll is also reduced comparied to ah1 , cept for high speed .  is this wrong.... im not sure,was the 38 in ah1 overmodeled and this is the correct data ? My guess is that HT must have hard data confirming the performance of the plane ...  just my 2 cents   <> 38maw

[38ruk]

here is a site with test data from lockheed http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/P-38-3.html
if you scroll down you will see roll , climb . speed , and dive performance data   38