Request: Burn Rate

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by ergRTC
Has it occured to you why they added the new fuel model? Perhaps to keep people from flying full throttle all the time? Now you complain because you cant fly full throttle all the time? How is that going to get the fuel multiplier dropped?
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If the fuel modifier is lowered to 1.5 or 1.8, I believe engine management will only be used by those planning on flying for 2 hours, not everyone.   As it is, everybody has to worry about it.

Yes I know the late american planes have an advantage here, but they are also pigs when fully loaded with fuel.  p51 pilots HAVE to drain the aux tank before they can relax, or even think about maneuvering, and p47 are not exactly nimble with a full tank either.  I would not want to tangle with a 109f at half a tank, with a p47 with 75%-100% fuel on board, no matter how fast the p47 was.

Point well taken, but what is the point of having all these fuel selection in the hanger with this burn rate?

[ergRTC]

Well, the fuel selection is there for the planes that carry more than 100 gallons (which is suprisingly few!).  Also the bombers of course.  One thing i keep mentioning which straffo brought up is essential for this new model to work.  They have to restrict the drop tank load out to planes carrying 100% fuel only.

[FDutchmn]

ok, wait, the model works, as we know it.  Kindly separate that with issue of "flight duration (more rightly put the need to climb)", cuz we gotta have that to to play the game.  Burn rate can change and the model works.

[Sikboy]

I'm more than satisfied with the model and the burn rate. But then, I don't often climb over 10k, so I Imagine that effects my judgement.

I fly the Yaks (and Dabble in 109s)  and FB2 works for me.

-Sik

[6GunUSMC]

Try Bomber hunting at very high altitude with an 190A8, you'll be sucking fumes by the time you get to those 30K pilots, then you have to chase them down.  You surely cant cap the HQ now as I used to in AH1.  If the fuel burn multiplier is 2X then make the climb rate 2X!  (Guys - I already know that last part was ridiculous)  But you cannot compensate a bomber interceptor pilot fairly any other way... I try to watch the map and launch to intercept as soon as I have the suspicion that a dot on the radar map is a bomber.  Sometimes 2.5 sectors out, that gives me time to get altitude, speed, location working for me.  With sufficient gasoline this is possible, I am sure that since the FW190A8 is such a heavily gunned beast that it was used in the bomber interceptor role.  The fuel burn multiplier is taking the advantage of time away from the close range interceptor to pick his position and plan of attack.

And no, i do not plan to switch to P51s instead!  LOL

just my opinion fellas....

[moose]

fuel burn rate was 2.0 in ah1? i always thought it was 1.5.. or maybe that was just for events

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by moose
fuel burn rate was 2.0 in ah1? i always thought it was 1.5.. or maybe that was just for events

On AH1, it was 1.5 as far as I recall.

[Wilbus]

I love the way it is now, really love it.

As far as climbing goes, it is not an issue IMO, if you have a plane with that little fuel, (LA, Yak or just not a DT on a 109 or spit) you can use cruise settings, will get you up there aswell just not quite as fast. The higher you come the less fuel you consume.

A 109 can get to 30k in less then 10 minutes, 100% and DT. This will give you plenty of time to fight at that high altitude, specially if you have throttled down before the fight.

[FDutchmn]

If the burn rate is going to be 2.0, can we leave the pizza map out of circulation?  It's not gonna be easy for folks playing in the morning hours on the East coast.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
Try Bomber hunting at very high altitude with an 190A8, you'll be sucking fumes by the time you get to those 30K pilots, then you have to chase them down.

Was bored with AHII being down, so I checked it out offline. How much time do you want? I took the A8 up to 30k from the deck, fuel burn 2, zero wind. Plane was loaded with 2x20, 2x30, 2xdecorative mg, DT.

At 30k The plane had 44 minutes of flight time at MIL power.



By reducing RPMs by ONE click, it stretches out to nearly an hour of flight time at that alt.



And by going crazy and reducing rpms even more (you wont be chasing anyone at this setting lol) you can stay on station almost forever.



But I think the real issue here isn't the fuel burn rate, but rather, the fact that the A8 is a dog at this alt. I believe the 109G-10 and 190D-9 would be much better suited to buffs over 20/25k.

YMMV of course.

-Sik

[Wilbus]

Good test Sikboy and thanks for the screens, this pretty much proves that flying time is not an issue when Engines are used the right way, also, as stated before, the higher you go the less fuel you burn. if 50% may last for 20 mins at the deck it may very well last for 30 or even 40 at high alt.

Btw, were you able to keep your alt on the second economy settings?

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Wilbus

Btw, were you able to keep your alt on the second economy settings?

Yeah, it seemed a bit odd, but I had the plane on auto-level, and it was able to maintain alt, even at the rediculously low settings on the last screenshot. My intention was to keep dropping RPMs until I started to lose alt, but by the time I got to over 2 hours of flight time, I figured that was good enough.

One thing that I found very interesting, is that the A8 showed 46 minutes flying time at takeoff (IIRC), and 44 minutes at Alt. The effect of alt on fuel consumption is that drastic.

-Sik

[6GunUSMC]

 Interesting..... very interesting....

[MOSQ]

I wonder what the flight time for the flying gas tank, the TA-152H, at 35K with ecomomy settings would be? It must be close to 6 hours!

[ergRTC]

betcha the 152 just sucks down the gas at wep though.  Maybe the mossie will be a more effective buff hunter these days.