Request: Burn Rate

[LLv34_Snefens]

Originally posted by FDutchmn
On AH1, it was 1.5 as far as I recall.

No, AH1 was 2.0 as well. Only some planes have had their consumption changed, and all now use much more fuel when WEP'ing. (In AH1 100% throttle and WEP used same fuel)

[Karnak]

On many aircraft (all?) the most fuel efficient engine setting for climbing was full power.  If you climp on cruise you will actually burn more fuel to get to your target altitude than you will if you climb on MIL power.

I do not know if FBM2 changes this or not.



Ah well.  I'm not affected anyways.  My aircraft is a flying fuel tank.

[ergRTC]

Yeah karnak, its nice to see that as an advantage for once.  

I bet the cruise vs mil climb is still appropriate.  I have tried in hurricanes and it seems to make the most sense to climb at mil.  At first it seems like you are an idiot watching the time remaining drop down to 10min before you hit 20k but After you are at alt, your cruise speed is A) much better mileage, and B) you are going much faster at cruise than you would be at 10k.  Very important difference.  Not only does your gph decrease at high alt cruise, but your (actual ground) speed is nearly twice as fast in most later war planes.

[Wilbus]

Both the Ta152 and the P51 will proabrly have a very long endurance at high alt.

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by LLv34_Snefens
No, AH1 was 2.0 as well. Only some planes have had their consumption changed, and all now use much more fuel when WEP'ing. (In AH1 100% throttle and WEP used same fuel)

aaarrrggghhh... there's the cause of me pre-whine... Thanks Snefens.

And thanks Sikboy for running the tests.  It clarifies a lot of things... Gotta get the old habits to die...

[MOSQ]

Just for the heck of it I flew a Mossie around Mindanao tonight at 25K (while eating dinner and messing around the house). Two hours later I had circled almost the whole island and still had 30 mins left. I was using +2lbs boost at about 2400rpm, was crusing so fast no one intercepted me despite flying across the length of two enemy countries while afk.

I think the whole fuel burn thing is great. If you fly correctly you can fly a lot farther than you could in AHI.

And thank you HTC for finally fixing the range on the Mosquito!

[Tilt]

FBM2 has reduced Lavochkins non defensive combat time considerably IMO.

To look for combat over an enemy field........

On a full tank I would climb out at mil power to 17K (where for some reason both Lavochkins MP gauges report full boost). Go level, gather some speed and then throttle back and reduce rpm to cruise (if not even lower).

At a sectors distance from home I have one decent fight before having to consider rtb.

I note I am beginning to some times realise I have insufficient fuel to exit combat to rtb and so just remain in combat till the inevitable occurs. This (I note) increases my tendancy to do suicide stuff, as survival is not an eventual option anyway.  

My point is that the Lavochkin range is now so short that there is no option to use fuel conservation to any great effect.

[bj229r]

The whole point of the fuel burn rate is REALISM! Ya cant up, hit max manifold, and keep it there 45 minutes--they couldnt do that in real life, neither should we. The 109F, during Battle of Britain, could fly to London, spend like 15 minutes dogfighting, and barely make it back to France on fumes. (It could stay in the air for 90 minutes. ) Dweeb rides like La7 will be somewhat restricted, but they were in RL as well. IF the fediddlein things are still the fastest non-perk rides in AH, they still better than they deserve to be. There are only a few planes that have decent range sans drop tanks (P51, D9, Niki, F4u1....P38?) The rest will have to employ a little more thought than before, and bombers might actually be able to get to a target at 20k without 15 spits peckin away at em. Makes whole game FAR more interesting, I think. High-alt rides like Jug may actually only encounter other historically hi-alt rides...this could be fun.

[GtoRA2]

I just checked in AH1, in the Map room it says fuel 125%

I assume that means the burn rate is 125% of real?

were we are now in AH2 running 200%?


I like it mind you. It will stop all the perk wines about the LA7, no need to perk it, it has short legs now.

Great for close range stuff, IE, going from one base to another close one, but it is not going to spending much time in the air.


Did I mention I like the new gas model? I used to throttle back in AH1 all the time if the fight I wanted evaperated.

[Kweassa]

Nuh-uh, Gtora2, "125%" means the field is available with 100% fuels + DT. Fuel burn rate can be checked with the E6B.

[simshell]

just fly a TA152 instead of the 190a-8 for that

wow


they fixed the Mossie

anyone know how far it should fly on full tank? in AH2

[GtoRA2]

Kweassa
Not in AH1! lol


Well I learn something new everyday hehe

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by bj229r
The whole point of the fuel burn rate is REALISM!

No, the new engine management modelling is Realism.  Burn Rate is something to adjust to make the game playable.

Let's be clear on one thing... I am not complaining about the new model of engine management.  And I already changed my stance on the burn rate itself.  If there is a problem, which I thought I saw at the time, it will present itself.

Now that we need to keep a sharp eye on the manifold pressure and engine revolution, I wish the indicators were bigger.  Some of them are kinda small.

[bozon]

Originally posted by simshell

they fixed the Mossie

anyone know how far it should fly on full tank? in AH2

All the way from mindnao to ndisles.

Bozon

[bj229r]

yah, I have same sentiments about guage size...I'm assuming ya need to have a 21" monitor, or be 20 years younger;