Author Topic: Spit Anti Gravity Device (Read 1922 times)

storch · « **on:** June 15, 2004, 08:18:58 AM »

While playing this am someone made the comment on Ch1 that the spit was even more rediculously anti gravity than in the AHI. A few of the players that were on agreed. Does anyone else hold this opinion?

I'm in a Spit IX right now and I can't do anything to stall it or cause it to lose level flight. You guys will need to address this "flaw". I'm at 60mph indicated and performing manuevers while maintaining altitude. What gives??

hitech · « **Reply #1 on:** June 15, 2004, 08:33:54 AM »

Prove it by testing. A global statement like antigravite will get you no where. Fly the plane your self. Do some turns, zoom, what ever you think it is supper at,And document the performance. Then do the exact same test with other planes and compare the results.

HiTech

storch · « **Reply #2 on:** June 15, 2004, 09:32:36 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Prove it by testing. A global statement like antigravite will get you no where. Fly the plane your self. Do some turns, zoom, what ever you think it is supper at,And document the performance. Then do the exact same test with other planes and compare the results.

HiTech

Gee HiTech that sounds like your job. However I did have the stall limiter on once I turned it off it stalls. but it still retains E very very very very very very well. My curiousity was piqued when someone made the comment last night so others are saying the same thing.

jconradh · « **Reply #3 on:** June 15, 2004, 10:34:56 AM »

Storch,

If you are trying to be helpful you need to remember you are, "Beta testing", this software, correct?

Then what HiTech asked would be your job as a Beta tester.

Regards,

Jeff

storch · « **Reply #4 on:** June 15, 2004, 10:44:26 AM »

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Originally posted by jconradh
Storch,

If you are trying to be helpful you need to remember you are, "Beta testing", this software, correct?

Then what HiTech asked would be your job as a Beta tester.

Regards,

Jeff

I have neither the expertise, time or the inclination to be a "beta tester" I posted an observation while playing the game. I have spent very little time in AHII while it's been in beta and wanted to check it out for a few spins. Overall I would say that it's different from AH I but not necessarily better. Time will tell.

fluffy · « **Reply #5 on:** June 15, 2004, 10:45:02 AM »

I disagree. Spit9 seems the same to me except that it doesn't have wep in an altitude band somewhere around 15k. I DO notice that pilots in fast B&Z planes are impacted by the new blackout model, and I wonder if that is what people are noticing. If you are really moving in a dive you can't pull as hard or as long without greying/blacking out. This definitely affects me when engaging a turn fighter and I'm in a p51/FW190D9/BF109G10/P47D/F4U. When flying a spit9 it feels 'floaty' by comparison to the above mentioned aircraft, due to it's relatively light wing loading. It also still has relatively poor accel, as it should.

Anyway - yesterday I (a total dweeb) defeated a Seafire with a fully loaded 109G10 (100%) fuel - going into vertical manoeuvers shortly after takeoff at low alt - after two loops spit floated in front of the 30mm at close range. BF109G10 is a scary plane. Spit driver must have thought I had an antigrav device to go with the lazer cannon.

lucull · « **Reply #6 on:** June 15, 2004, 11:40:18 AM »

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I'm in a Spit IX right now and I can't do anything to stall it or cause it to lose level flight.
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However I did have the stall limiter on once I turned it off it stalls.

Pyro · « **Reply #7 on:** June 15, 2004, 12:14:26 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
I have neither the expertise, time or the inclination to be a "beta tester" I posted an observation while playing the game.

But you had the inclination to make a post about it, so ostensibly you'd like for us to check it out. Using hyperbole to describe something runs counter to why you would bother to post about it in the first place.

storch · « **Reply #8 on:** June 15, 2004, 12:17:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Pyro
But you had the inclination to make a post about it, so ostensibly you'd like for us to check it out. Using hyperbole to describe something runs counter to why you would bother to post about it in the first place.

whatever. You guys are infallable so forward march with your attempts. Great graphics btw.

hitech · « **Reply #9 on:** June 15, 2004, 12:33:07 PM »

Storch, quit backing away from your post.

1. You posted in the Open Beta Bug Reports, Therefor you have accepted being a beta tester.

2. In your post you make extravigant clames, with out even doing enough research to relize you had the stall limiter on.

3. When asked nicly to test it, you refused saying it is now HTC's job to be a beta tester.

4. When called on your premis you make a snide comment about us being infallible.

5. Now you realy expect us to take your post seriously?

HiTech

Flit · « **Reply #10 on:** June 15, 2004, 12:48:05 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
I have neither the expertise, time or the inclination to be a "beta tester" I posted an observation while playing the game. I have spent very little time in AHII while it's been in beta and wanted to check it out for a few spins. Overall I would say that it's different from AH I but not necessarily better. Time will tell.

If you got nothing to contribute, then why bother to post ?
This is a chance to have a impact on the final version of the game, I'd say if ya wanna help, then help,but don't tell HT "it's his job to test".
It s not, his job is to write code
It's our ( anyone who flys the beta) job to test
All he did was ask you to run some tests to confirm what what your saying and you basically refused, and not very nicely I might add.

storch · « **Reply #11 on:** June 15, 2004, 01:11:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Flit
If you got nothing to contribute, then why bother to post ?
This is a chance to have a impact on the final version of the game, I'd say if ya wanna help, then help,but don't tell HT "it's his job to test".
It s not, his job is to write code
It's our ( anyone who flys the beta) job to test
All he did was ask you to run some tests to confirm what what your saying and you basically refused, and not very nicely I might add.

I wouldn't even know how to go about conducting or verifying the results. I didn't mean to sound rude and if it came off as rude then I apologize. I'm not very capable with a computer. So pardon me for posting if that was the criteria. Having said all that the spit hangs forever and while kills on them are possible they may hold an advantage undue them. So in the spirit of co-operation if someone would care to indicate what I must do to verify this claim then I am willing to try. I'm a welder and metalsmith I never even used a computer until one year ago. I hope this clears it up somewhat. I'm not known for backing down from anything there HT and I'm not backing down now.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #12 on:** June 15, 2004, 01:27:45 PM »

retracted. Going to test

hitech · « **Reply #13 on:** June 15, 2004, 01:37:36 PM »

Storch. Simple test you can run.

Take a spit, Fly it level to a preset speed say 300.

Check your begining alt. Pull the spit straight up. When it falls off look at your alt.

Now repeat the above in a plane you like to fly. Starting at the same alt and speed.

Then ask your self, are the results fairly consistant. I.E. one plane may have and advantage in a zoom, but is it drasticly i.e. antigravity different?

HiTech

Urchin · « **Reply #14 on:** June 15, 2004, 01:58:23 PM »

I plan on taking you up on this offer once I can corner Wotan or someone to do some side by side flight testing.

I intend to mimic the 190A5 test done by the RAF, complete with running the Spits at lower boost than we have here.

I'll let you know the results.