Author Topic: Flying the P38, P40 & P47 in Combat (Read 1124 times)

Happy1 · « **on:** June 19, 2004, 03:36:36 PM »

Greetings every1

Here's a book to warm the cockles of ur hearts in flying correctly the above listed planes :

1- Flying the P-38 in Combat as given by Capt.W.K. "Kenny" Gi-
roux, a double ace in the P38.

2- Flying the P-40 in Combat as given by Capt. Robert M. DeHa-
ven, a 14-victory ace.

3- Flying the P-47 in Combat as given by LtCol. Wm D. Dunham,
a 16-victory ace.

The reports are extracted from "Twelve to One-Fighter Combat
Tactics in the SWPA (Southwest Pacific Area)", a 5th Fighter Com-
mand publication.

4- Combat Tactics in the Southwest Pacific Area by Capt. Thomas
B. McGuire, Jr.

Here's what the aces thought of the P-38 & it's views,"The
cockpit was comfortable & NOT the tight fit of the P-39 nor the deep
seat of the P-47. You sat HIGH with plenty of room with EXCEL-
LENT visibility except at the 2 o'clock & 10 o'clock positions due to
the engine nacelles.

The cockpit was large enough so that you could loosen your safe-
ty belt & stretch out a bit. The P-38 could be trimmed up to almost fly hands off.

The name of the book:"PACIFIC SWEEP: THE 5TH & 13TH FIGHTER
COMMANDS IN WORLD WAR II", an illustrated, anecdotal history by William N. Hess

I highly recommend this book for all, interesting reading holding
ur attention all the way. This book is available from the Book Libraries. (Check ur Library) Enloy & Learn !

Cheers,

Happy1

XtrmeJ · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2004, 05:29:48 PM »

Thanks! Always up for some good reads.

simshell · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2004, 12:22:47 AM »

i realy wish i could find out how well that thing does when faced with good pilots and not slow vals or 109g-6s with pliots that had 2 weeks of training

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2004, 07:19:26 AM »

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Originally posted by simshell
i realy wish i could find out how well that thing does when faced with good pilots and not slow vals or 109g-6s with pliots that had 2 weeks of training

Bong and McGuire seemed to have no troubles against vet IJAF or IJN pilots.

ack-ack

Happy1 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2004, 11:26:59 AM »

As a matter of fact, some pilots who were avg fighter pilots in the SWPA (SouthWest Pacific Arena), when transferred to ETO, be-
came aces.

Fighter pilot Preddy (P51s) was but one (1) of these, that in itself
tells u that the Japanese IJAF & IJN were better than avg pilots
the 1st three (3) years of the war.

What made the difference was different aerial tactics used in different theatres of war & the better pilots being killed off by
well-trained U.S. pilots, type of tactics used & better planes.

Happy1

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2004, 11:55:41 AM »

Speaking of P-38s...

AKAK, I went offline and performed some of the same maneuvers I did in the old AH1 films to see how the AH2 P-38 matches up. I was actually able to loop the thing completely using two notches below full flaps. It seems much more flaps responsive than before. I also managed to hang it in the straight vertical at speeds approaching 0mph before it would drop its nose gently down.

I can't think of anything else in the game that can match those kinds of vertical capabilities.

-- Todd/Leviathn

214thCavalier · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2004, 12:08:01 PM »

Pyro stating the lift from flaps was being altered.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114508&highlight=flaps

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2004, 02:02:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Speaking of P-38s...

AKAK, I went offline and performed some of the same maneuvers I did in the old AH1 films to see how the AH2 P-38 matches up. I was actually able to loop the thing completely using two notches below full flaps. It seems much more flaps responsive than before. I also managed to hang it in the straight vertical at speeds approaching 0mph before it would drop its nose gently down.

I can't think of anything else in the game that can match those kinds of vertical capabilities.

-- Todd/Leviathn

you can also do a double Immelman with a stall loop at the end with as little as 225mph IAS.

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Ecliptik · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2004, 07:15:00 PM »

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It seems much more flaps responsive than before. I also managed to hang it in the straight vertical at speeds approaching 0mph before it would drop its nose gently down.

I've managed to get to 0 mph and accelerate backwards before flipping over.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2004, 08:22:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Ecliptik
I've managed to get to 0 mph and accelerate backwards before flipping over.

I would love to see that on film.....please

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2004, 10:02:22 PM »

I'd like to see that film too. All I've been able to make it do when it reaches 0 MPH is to have it automatically flip it self over without any input. Reminds me of the old AW stall loop.

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Ecliptik · « **Reply #11 on:** June 22, 2004, 06:24:36 PM »

It was once after a lot of trying, in the earlier AHII betas. Your center of gravity has to be so perfectly balanced that getting it is a crap shoot. I filmed a few tries the other night and this was the closest I got.

phentop · « **Reply #12 on:** June 22, 2004, 08:56:31 PM »

what does performing these manuvers accomplish?
can't someone come from under and catch u dead in the air?

or can someone take me into arena and show me what it can do if im on your 6?

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #13 on:** June 22, 2004, 09:17:56 PM »

They can't catch you if they're flopping around below you stalled out.

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Octavius · « **Reply #14 on:** June 26, 2004, 03:57:22 AM »

^ exactly

If equal E states exist and you're on the edge of stall and out of their firing range, they will also [most likely] be stalling. On the way down, you'll find yourself perched on their six