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Offline Camel

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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2000, 05:35:00 PM »
Great reading Hang,

I wish I had the skills to recall, and write about our wonderfull 1 on 1 last night. All I can say is between you, and the AH terrain, it was one of the longest, toughest, most enjoyable fights ive had in any flight sim.(and ofcourse I didnt record it! any chance you did?)

Was thinking maybe I could start an argument with you over the fight, so that you would create some more good reading  

Salute, Hang

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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2000, 05:56:00 PM »
Well now, DoctorYO; since you really hate the cut and paste method of dealing with a statement in its original form (and ensuring that the original authors comments are being addresed in context) I'll continue the distasteful practice here again.  

>>Didn't you get your so savored kill last night when I was low and slow.. You even tried to taunt but I gave you no satisfaction...(last night I thought your "nice break" was advice or complement but this morning after reading you dung post I can see it was only a trivial attempt to taunt me.)<<

Nope.. you assumption is incorrect. For the uninformed out there; the Good Doctor was racking up some Bishop kills in the area of F6. I noticed his name crop up as having just killed another and I inquired of the vanquished bish as to the location and plane type of the Infamous Doctor. Getting the desired info I set out in search of an F4u to the south of F6... and a few minutes later I spotted an F4u on the deak makin for f5; now in knit hands.

Low he was.. and slow he wasn't. I closed; and from the rate of clousure I estimated his speed to be about 350.. good corner speed fer the big blue bird. I dove in low and comming up fast and hard from behind started to set up a blind bounce from the dark hole every F4u has behind its headrest. The Good Doctor was savvy tho.. he eyeballed my approach; kept his nose down to maintain speed .. and waited.  

At D2 he broke hard to the left.. and I stabbed left rudder, rolled a bit left and started to set up a deflection shot at his planform when suddenly the right wing came down.. he's rolling RIGHT!! Keeerist! I jam the pedal to the right; nudged the stick down; eased in some roll to get in plane with him again and gunned the section of sky he was heading for... a much poorer shot than I would have had if he'd continued the left turn. The big blue target ran thru the stream of tracers and left a wing spinning in the breeze. Scratch one F4U. Not a great shot.. but it was the only one he gave me.

I immediatly typed "Nice Break". I meant it then, I mean it now.. that second reverse to the right; off my prop torque was totally unexpected and damn near succesfull. It WAS a nice break. Anyway.. I got no reply. Not that I need one, mind you..  

I bear no grudge against any pilot.. and quite often; as time and circumstances dictate I take the time to let the pilot I've engaged (win or lose) know he's done me damage and/or offer congragulations on a good fight.

Verm asked earlier on about what makes a good pilot... Here's a case in point. I think its one thats wise enuff to learn from mistakes; one that recognises his weaknesses and shortcomings and works hard to overcome them... in and out of the cockpit.

>>8D 8D 8D 8D smiles make you live longer........<<

LOL. Yes. Thats true. Thank you.  

>>>PS: of course you need to have the last post(its in your Tristate Area Gene Code) so put in your dweeb comment..<<

ROFL.. I hate being so damn predictable. It's one of my great weaknesses.. and also sometimes (especially for those that know me..) a comfort.

Alas.. I do live here in the Tri-state area; but I'm a native Californian. I was sent here as part a radical genetic experiment... for every 10,000 New Yorkers that move to California one native of the golden state is required to assume residence in the tri-state area (NY;NJ;CT) to keep the gene pool straight. After being here over 20 years now I can say that I don't feel quite so ailen as I used too; but still grit my teeth at the damn NY accent my kid has. Ya know?  

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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2000, 06:47:00 PM »
 Bash <--was here read laughed n left  

See you all in the ubnfriendly skies  

Bash

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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2000, 07:04:00 PM »
 
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Verm asked earlier on about what makes a good pilot... Here's a case in point. I think its one thats wise enuff to learn from mistakes; one that recognises his weaknesses and shortcomings and works hard to overcome them... in and out of the cockpit.

Well said, very well said.  



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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2000, 07:15:00 PM »
Wow, you guys must have a lot of idle time...feels like I've been reading for days!

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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2000, 07:17:00 PM »
Yo Camel!  damn me; but I coulda died for real last night after that fight and gone out happy; win or lose.   That was clearly and by far the best stang v stang turn and toast fight I've ever had..

I'll try to get some of the highlights up here for you ... we engaged co-alt 15k south of the mountains between F6 and F5.. I'd just finished up with DoctorYo and was grabbing back to the fight at F5 when I picked u up as a distant dot. I reversed; grabbed and keeping your dot in view worked up to your alt. When we merged I misjudged your e state and you nearly killed me on the first three turns. Desperate for some e and badly out of trim I extended out and down, then settled down to work on the problem: This guys good; he's ready for me and he's not about to give anything away in the turns. (you refused to let me get into a one circle mode; my favorite; and instead kept me in a 2 circle fight with only snapshot opportunites)

We again merged; you commin down the ramp with plenty of smash on and I did a roll away (you knew it was me then; didn't yah?? ) as you went by and saddled up.

Still; you carried the e edge and grabbed away and up.. and as I started to sag, I pushed the nose back down and started after you from about d3 back.. low and in trail... and you headed into the canyon. And thats when I was sure it was YOU.   Who else would take me into the ditch to die like a dawg.  

At this stage we'd gone from 15k to just about 4k; and the fights been on for at least 5 min because my wep's just porked out. Neither of us have landed any real damage to the other but we've both been mauled a bit. You went to the right side of the canyon and started up for a high wingover; rolled back down to me and landed a blistering crossing shot into my ass. The ping sounds switch to "WHACK WHACK" and I know my tail is damaged.. doing my second roll-away I get some AOT on you, then you break back toward me and the scissors is started. I risk a quick 'damage check' about here and find my rudder in red.. a jab at the pedals tells me the damn thing still works tho. (gift #2, thanks Pyro.  )

Grunting and sweating; hunched over my controls and keyboard as we slice back and forth; hanging on the stall; jinking around terrain bumps and canyon walls we go at it for what seems forever. I'm cursing now, hollering and yanking.. I musta pinged my cat.. she lets out a yowl and bolts from the desk; scarin the crap outta me. When my eyes find you again you're in a beautiful stall turn crossing my six... and as we all know, in a scissors the guy that can maintain the lowest controlable airspeed gets the kewpie.. and you just crossed my tail... I'm TOAST!

Desperate and feeling stupid (damn cat,, damn flaps,, he's GOT ME!) I lunge the stick forward; praying the canyon floor is further down than it looks; stab the wep button and roll inverted; pulling like hell. The gods are kind.. I miss the floor; break your track and return to the scissors.... but not before you get the best shot of the night.. I can still see that "I'm DEAD" view, looking directly into the muzzels of those 6 smokin .50's... and you didn't fire a shot! Nothin! Nada! I'm stunned, but continue to press.. My third gift from the gods this fight.

Finally.. we began to run outta canyon floor... deceptive down there; no horizon.. hard to tell we're comming into an upslope. I start nibbiling down on each sweep of the scissors.. down.. get e.. down.. I'm watching the canyon floor now.. dividing my attention equally between you and and the planes trim and the terrain. Time for flaps about now, and they thankfully respond when I key the toggle. We're still scissoring but not as hard; we're both at the very bottom of the the e well; and my biggest worry is becoming that speedo.. "cmon.. just get over 180.. c'mon!, dammit!" Your gaining angles.. but not getting the solid hits as I jink over the cuts... pings rattle around the plane;; one more turn.. NOW! I pull up a bit and roll hard into the turn, stall horn rattling insistently as you cross my tail; I swing downslope; you're forced up the rise and I come around full circle to find you on the edge of a stall; fightin to get around nose on.. ok; I'm a hair higher now.. you're gonnna go under me... there's a gully by the canyon wall; lowest point in front of you.. you HAVE to go there.... the 30 extra feet of altitude is all I need to get the nose down and the guns on train; you turn down into the gully heading under......

The .50's chatter once at full burst and dribble to secondaires.. but it's enuff.. you're smokin.. I look front again.. the canyon wall is dead in front.. IT AIN'T OVER YET! I stab the gear key; cycle the flaps another notch and start to slide back down the slope... careful.. don't stall.. (where's that '51??)  The gear kisses the slope.. I swing some rudder into the turn... she pivots, headin downhill now... the burm drops away more steeply.. the battered stang crawls reluctantly back into the air. I look back down the slope.. nope; he ain't there.. I look up.. no cons. I expand the textbox... Yup. It was Camel.  

It took another few minutes to get the plane outta the ditch; retrim; curse the cat again and shout you up on the radio. My heartrate musta been off-scale.. I was gulping great breaths of air trying to not shake so bad, and I nearly wrecked several more times gettin outta the ditch afterwards.

Salute sir... I was the one that flew outta there and it was by sheer luck alone it wasn't you. I shoulda bought the farm a buncha times. Camel.. that was one heluva fight; my hats off to yah. Next time yah won't let me off so easy.  

Note to all:  Beware the Humped Backed Mustang inna ditch. It's got TEETH.  

Hang (who can die happy now)




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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2000, 08:06:00 PM »
<snip Hangs account of the fite with Sorrow>

whoopee!!  

I dont remember that one but it sure had my palms sweating as you relived it Hang.  <S> Sorrow....awesome flying there bro!

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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2000, 09:34:00 PM »
Hiya Dingy.. that fight stood out because I've always had trouble dealing with La5's. I'm not sayin the planes modeling is suspect.. just that I have an awful time killin La5's and the latest revison of the Macchi with my Mustang. I take them nasty little buggers as a serious threat.  

Sure enuff this particular La5 fight was no exception. I'd get on Sorrow for just a sec and he'd turn; come up and over to roar back down shootin the red toejam at me. Shoot; twist; dodge... the damn thing never stopped manuvering. It was... well... Wild. I was astonished by the ferocity of the fight.

Of particular note was the way he'd come back at you.. twice I followed him up for a good corner shot as he followed you only to have him break off and come right back in my face. I felt like I was fightin uphill every second.

Finally when you got on him the last time I knew he'd go over the top and come back at yah so I pulled up hard; rolled over and pulled max G and sure enuff.. he popped right up, and I was commin down. All I had was one weeee opportunity ta tag him and got lucky.  

And this guy's a "beginner" in the same squad as Leonid, Botwa and Gie? Gawd.. I hate La5's.  

Yes, Sorrow.. it's scary!! Then last night I met up with yah in that furball outside of F5 and you were slicin and dicin with that C205.. Mayhem unlimited.. parts fallin everywhere.. (yeah Leonid.. he was in a Macchi!! I'm rattin him out!) Heluva fight!

Salute!  

Hang

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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2000, 12:51:00 PM »
Damn well done, Hang

Thanks bud! Who needs a gun cam! I like this better  

Camel

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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2000, 09:00:00 PM »
I haven't much read this forum lately but my ears were itching so I thought I'd poke my head in.  There are times in online sims that are just magic, and you can't tell anyone that hasn't "BTDT" how you feel when you're done.  Hang, that was BEAUTIFUL, and your post on our fight was terrific.  

The flights that I remember most fondly from my 3+ years of online simming are with the pilots that cleaned my clock, but after an intense fight.  That was one of 'em.
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2000, 06:42:00 AM »
 
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Hang, that was BEAUTIFUL, and your post on our fight was terrific.

Uhhhh...I think that was Downtown who was talking about the fite between you two Pang!  

Hang's a good guy and flys on Bish's.  Camel, Swager and Downtown are all BAAAAAAAAD!  

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« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2000, 02:37:00 PM »
DOH, I musta hit my head too hard.  See how well I remember things?

LOL

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« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2000, 02:58:00 PM »
Camel, Downtown, and I are not really bad, we were just born that way!!  

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« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2000, 03:11:00 PM »
I've had a couple of good go-rounds with Camel as well.  

I'll tell you, Camel must have done one hell of a job.  The pony will out-do the Hawg in about ever possible way.

Oh, also note... soon enough doing that landing gear trick will just rip 'em off. <G>  Ground model is still a bit whacky, but the physics are all there.  Earlier I got in trouble in the new rolling terrain and ran out of gas.  I tried to set her down, but Big Blue ran out of speed and snap-rolled on me just before touchdown, ripping off my right wing and rolling me.  I was on the top of a gentle hill... so of course I managed to barrel roll all the way down!  It took over a minute, but I finally came to rest at the bottom.  Hehehe, I felt like Bart Simpson after Nelson beat him up and rolled him home in a garbage can.  



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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2000, 05:55:00 PM »
Hehe Dingy,
Bad as in good right? Like Micheal Jacksons "Bad"   Im bad, im bad, shum-on-it!(sp? hehe).

Teto had me a tissue! Hey wheres my monkey!
 
 

Hiya Lephturn!

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