Bout the same as the Pakistani f16s will do against the Indian Nukes.
Ya the USAF is very in debted to the IAF for making a case for the need for the F22..lol
"Inside The Air Force
June 4, 2004
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USAF: Indian Exercises Showed Need For F/A-22, Changes In Training
A recent exercise with the Indian Air Force is causing U.S. Air Force
officials to re-evaluate the way the service trains its fighter pilots
while bolstering the case for buying the F/A-22 as a way to ensure
continued air dominance for the United States, according to service
officials.
The surprising sophistication of Indian fighter aircraft and skill of
Indian pilots demonstrated at the Cope India air combat exercise Feb. 15
through 27 at Gwalior Air Force Station, India, should provide a reality
check for those who had assumed unquestioned U.S. air superiority, service
officials who participated in the exercise said this week. The event was
the first-ever air combat exercise involving the U.S. and India and the
most active bilateral military exchange in over 40 years, according to
these officials.
“The major takeaway for the Air Force is that our prediction of needing to
replace the F-15 with the F/A-22 is proving out as we get smarter and
smarter about other [countries’] capabilities around the world and what
technology is limited to in the F-15 airframe,” said Col. Mike Snodgrass,
commander of the 3rd Wing at Elmendorf Air Force Base, AK. “We’ve taken
[the F-15] about as far as we can and it’s now time to move to the next
generation.” Snodgrass, who has been selected to receive his first star,
and two other wing officials spoke with Inside the Air Force June 2.
The Air Force has been arguing the absolute necessity of the F/A-22 since
the program began. But the performance of the Indians in direct
competition against the Air Force’s best fighter, the F-15C, was
particularly striking evidence of an endangered U.S. lead in air combat
capability, the statements of service officials indicate.
Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. John Jumper told the Senate Appropriations
defense subcommittee in March that the results of Cope India were “very
revealing,” although he declined to elaborate in a public forum.
Privately, other senior service officials have pointed to Cope India as
evidence that continued U.S. air superiority is dependent on the F/A-22.
Although service officials have been reluctant to detail how the Indians
performed against the six F-15Cs from the 3rd Wing that participated in
Cope India, Rep. Duke Cunningham (R-CA) said in a Feb. 26 House
Appropriations defense subcommittee hearing that U.S. F-15Cs were defeated
more than 90 percent of the time in direct combat exercises against the
IAF.
Officials from the 3rd Wing at Elmendorf did not provide specifics about
how their aircraft fared, but said the experience is causing the service
to reevaluate the way it trains its pilots for air-to-air operations.
“What happened to us was it looks like our red air training might not be
as good because the adversaries are better than we thought,” Snodgrass
said. “And in the case of the Indian Air Force both their training and
some of their equipment was better than we anticipated.”
“Red air” refers to the way the Air Force simulates enemy capability in
air combat training. Because the service has assumed for years that its
fighters are more capable than enemy aircraft, the U.S. pilots that
simulate the enemy, known as “red” forces, in air combat training are
required to operate under rules that constrain their combat capability.
“We have always believed that our technology was superior to everyone
else’s technology, that we would fight a somewhat inferior adversary, so
we have had to supply a simulated adversary from our own resources; we
call that ‘red air,’” Snodgrass said.
As a result, Air Force pilots are used to flying against an enemy whose
combat capability is deliberately limited.
“There are maneuvering limits as well as weapons employment limits, what
we believe enemy aircraft may be able to do with their weapons systems, so
we try to simulate that in our own airplane with our own weapons,”
Snodgrass explained. “It becomes very complex because instead of using the
airplane the way it was designed, you now have to come up with rules of
thumb that limit what you do and cause you to not perform . . . the way we
really would want to in combat.”
The Cope India exercises consisted of air combat maneuvers in which pilots
would practice their fighter tactics and fly against each other
one-on-one, as well as simulated combat scenarios. It was during this
simulated combat, which included both “offensive counterair” and
“defensive counterair” scenarios, that the Indians proved the most
formidable, according to the 3rd Wing officials. In the offensive
counterair scenarios, a small number of F-15Cs would attempt to intercept
an enemy strike aircraft en route to a target that was guarded by a larger
number of Indian fighters. In the defensive counterair missions, the F-15s
would attempt to defend a target against Indian fighters.
In these offensive and defensive missions, four F-15Cs were usually flying
against 10 or 12 of the same model Indian fighter, according to Col. Greg
Neubeck, deputy commander of operations for the wing’s 3rd Operations
Group and exercise director for Cope India. The 3rd Operations Group is
responsible for the 3rd Wing’s flying mission.
The Indians flew a number of different fighters, including the French-made
Mirage 2000 and the Russian-made MIG-27 and MIG-29, but the two most
formidable IAF aircraft proved to be the MIG-21 Bison, an upgraded version
of the Russian-made baseline MIG-21, and the SU-30K Flanker, also made in
Russia, Neubeck said. He emphasized the fact that U.S. forces were always
outnumbered in these scenarios, but said the missions proved more
difficult than expected.
“What we faced were superior numbers, and an IAF pilot who was very
proficient in his aircraft and smart on tactics. That combination was
tough for us to overcome,” Neubeck said.
One reason the Indian pilots proved so formidable is that their training
regimen does not include a concept of “red air.” Instead, “they fly pretty
much blue-on-blue . . . [a] full-up airplane with no restrictions against
somebody else’s airplane with no restrictions, and that leads to more
proficiency with your aircraft,” Neubeck said.
In addition to reinforcing the need for the F/A-22, therefore, Cope India
demonstrated that the service might be able to immediately improve its air
combat capability by changing the way Air Force pilots train.
“The Air Force is re-examining, from what I can understand, our concept of
red air and how we might be able to provide red air to our fighter forces
so that we get [the best] training we can afford,” Snodgrass said.
Neubeck said the service probably needs to “take off the handcuffs that we
put on our red air training aids and allow them to be more aggressive and
make the red air tougher than we have in the past.”
Although India is a friendly nation, the lesson of Cope India is that
almost any nation could surpass the United States’ air combat capability
if the Pentagon does not continue to invest in better training and
technology, the Elmendorf officials said. At last count, for example,
there were over 5,000 MIG-21s active in air forces around the world,
Snodgrass said. Even American fighters, such as Boeing’s F-15, are being
sold in upgraded versions to countries around the world.
“I believe what this demonstrates is that the capacity exists out there
for any nation with the appropriate resources and the will to acquire
technology and to train their aircrews to be very, very capable,” said
Col. Russ Handy, commander of the 3rd Operations Group. “In the long term
this could occur in nations outside of the Indian Air Force.”
The Air Force will get another chance to test its capabilities against the
Indians in July, when the IAF will bring its Jaguar fighter-bomber
aircraft to Eielson AFB, AK, for the Cooperative Cope Thunder exercise.
The 3rd Wing officers said their pilots had not yet flown against an
Indian-piloted Jaguar.
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