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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2004, 01:53:19 AM »
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I'm not positive on how these exercises are preformed, but I'm pretty sure they're not launching missiles at one another.  Both the Su-30's and the F-15's get a lock on eachother outside missile range, the Su-30's fire first (or just say they have a lock and are in range) and then turn and run, leaving the Eagles to get whatever scraps they can with the AMRAAMS.  It probably based more on numbers and chance than evasive manuevers and airborne radars.

Verdict?  The AA-10 shoots farther.  That's all you can tell.


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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2004, 02:05:58 AM »
Spitfire plz.

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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2004, 07:14:17 PM »
Pongo no to what?  I may be wrong but over the years it seems other countries tend to rate their weapons platforms higher than others.  I read not to long ago that the SU-30 is capable of withstanding 15gs.  Now what isn't said is how much extensive damage will occur at this point.  Missing wings, warped fuselage, ect...  It makes you wonder if they do the same for their missiles too.  Is this the absolute max range indications without a maneuvering target or is this their max range with high probability of a hit?  I'm sure they account for this but I'm not so sure how much is absolute maximum limits.

Most mock engagements also have parameters that must be met for so long of a period at a certain range.  Just as an example having a lock with an AIM 9 for approximately 5 seconds at a range of less than 10 miles and the battle is over.  It doesn't account for external countermeasures and evasion tactics (beaming the missile, chaff and flares ect...).  Either way the only way to tell whats going to happen against two airframes is put them in a real fight and see who comes home or not.

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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2004, 07:47:38 PM »
Honestly, a lot of punches (or counter-punches) are being held.

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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2004, 08:19:20 PM »
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Verdict?  The AA-10 shoots farther.  That's all you can tell.


Actually all you can tell is that the IAF fire control computers think the AA-10's shoot further than the USAF fire control computers think the AIM-120 can shoot.  As anyone who has studied historical AAM combat results will know, theoretical firing envelopes and real firing envelopes don't always coincide.

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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2004, 10:26:20 PM »
No, we dont know enough about the engements and officiating to be able to know even that. What we know is that the US sent some of its upgraded F15s there for dissimilar training, They were impressed with the abilities of the Indians and came away feelling that they were not victorios in what ever it was the engagments were.
All we know is that they have told us. Saying that that means the Indians had longer range "excersise" missles is a leap.
They had Air control and from the engement I was told about they had serios numbers advantages.

Dont underestimate the IAF. They lose aircraft to angry elephants most years.