at what point are you a traitor

[Habu]

Originally posted by Martlet
So being able to raise VC is considered a bad thing now?

When the money is given to you for future political favors from your family it is.

 

Actually, Moore's film made misleading correlations between events and dates that when you follow the assumption he leaves, gives you a completely false conclusion.

Is that your opinion or are you parroting what someone who has actually seen the film has said?

 

So pulbic speaking is more important than National Security or the Economy?

The only time you can see the emporer has no cloths is when he shows himself in public.

 

While Stern tries to make Free Speech the issue, it isn't.   The community has said there needs to be decency standards on the public airwaves, and the FCC was delegated to enforce those standards.  If the community feels they should no longer apply, then it should work to remove them.  Not blame a serving POTUS for having an administration that enforces those standards which were established long before he came into office.

The problem is that there has been no huge public outrage against Stern. It is a campaign by a couple of organizations that is trying to get him banned.  

If he was so offensive then the public should shun advertisers that fund his show. Problem is that the public gives his show huge rateings and the advertiseing is so lucrative that most of Viacoms (and CBS's) revenue comes from the radio division.

Are you saying that the FCC knows better than the American public what they should be listening to on the radio?

Again, if these are the issues you use to choose a POTUS, then you're either still living at home and your parents are supporting you, or you have a priority set that completely differs from my own.

I consider free speech the most important issue in this election. GWB has many weaknesses I would be willing to overlook but I draw the line at this issue.

[midnight Target]

I think you become a traitor the minute you stop supporting the rights of all Amercans to voice their opinions.

[Torque]

Originally posted by storch
Only in your twisted mind.  mikey is pretty close to a traitor, the press is total left wing.  they should all move to Canada.  they should  take the homos with them.  you guys like traitors and homos it seems.

You could always just locked the homos and traitors up in a place they'd feel at home in, like the J Edgar Hoover Building.

Close by so Cheney could see his daughter on a regular basis.

[storch]

Originally posted by Torque
You could always just locked the homos and traitors up in a place they'd feel at home in, like the J Edgar Hoover Building.

Close by so Cheney could see his daughter on a regular basis.

Hoover??!!!?? oh yea I remember him!!!! JFK and LBJ's bud given broad power by FDR Hoover the homocrat right?  He's dead now.  Or was it that he moved to Canada and only thinks he's dead, I don't remember.

[Martlet]

When the money is given to you for future political favors from your family it is.

What political favors has he given his family?

Is that your opinion or are you parroting what someone who has actually seen the film has said?

I can see where you would be confused.  Just because you "parrot", doesn't mean we all do.

Read the reviews.  Read the content outline.  Read other people's opinions.  Then form your own.  

To answer your question, it's neither.  It's fact.

The only time you can see the emporer has no cloths is when he shows himself in public.

Excellent quip.  Care to answer the question now?

Are you saying that the FCC knows better than the American public what they should be listening to on the radio

I'm saying that's one of the roles of the FCC.  You completely side-barred my point in obvious avoidance.  Care to address it, or do you intend to continue to dance?

I consider free speech the most important issue in this election.

That's great.  Only free speech isn't in jeopardy.   You're trying to spin it as an issue, when it's not.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Habu

There is one person in Florida who has logged countless complaints against the show with the FCC

Code name: Storch...

[Habu]

Originally posted by Martlet
What political favors has he given his family?

The Bush family is heavily connected to the oil industry. Look at GWB and Bush seniors record on drilling and exploration issues. Look at his record on pollution laws. Which industry is benifiting?


 

I can see where you would be confused.  Just because you "parrot", doesn't mean we all do.

Read the reviews.  Read the content outline.  Read other people's opinions.  Then form your own.  

To answer your question, it's neither.  It's fact.[/B]

Kind of like writing a book review when you have not even read the book? Sorry Martlet you are a parrot when you go to secondary sources then make such a biased claim about a movie you have not even seen.

 

Excellent quip.  Care to answer the question now?

 [/B]

I did. When GWB opens his mouth his intelligence (or lack of) is there for all of us to see. Spin doctors can paint him any way they want but when he talks we see him for who he is.

You judge people your whole life this way. Talk to them and you very quicky can tell if they are intelligent or not. GWB is a puppet.  

I'm saying that's one of the roles of the FCC.  You completely side-barred my point in obvious avoidance.  Care to address it, or do you intend to continue to dance?[/B]

You don't understand the issue. The FCC is not a democratic institution. Powel is a political appointee and he is using the FCC in ways that it should not be used. Don't argue with me, argue with the 8 million people who listen to Stern and think he is not indecent. If they feel strongly on the issue they will vote and you don't vote for or against the FCC commisioners, you vote for or against the government that appointed them and that they report to.


 

That's great.  Only free speech isn't in jeopardy.   You're trying to spin it as an issue, when it's not. [/B]

Yes it is

[Scatcat]

Originally posted by Habu
I have never liked anything Michael Moore has ever done but I have slowly gotten on the dump Bush bandwagon lately.

My personal beef with Bush started with the FCC and their crackdown on free speech.

I enjoy listening to the radio each morning on the way in to work and on the way home at night. Now the shows I listen to have been butchered with self censorship as they are afraid of the FCC and Colin Powell's son. Howard Stern's show has been on for years and if you listen to it regularly you know it is totally harmless. Lately they are in the position of not being able to run tape of shows they did years ago as now those shows would be considered obscene.

There is one person in Florida who has logged countless complaints against the show with the FCC (he is a lawyer who has little to do with his time except listen to the whole show hoping to find an "indecent" moment so he can log a complaint. The FCC uses his complaint as an excuse investigate the show and fine it. That cyber nazi's have the power under GWB to enforce their perverted view of what is decent on the whole country strikes me as not just wrong, but infuriating.

For that cause alone I say turf GWB out on his ass. I don't like to see power perverted this way. The FCC should not be a muzzle to stop opinions you disagree with from being heard.


One ironic result of the whole FCC mess is that GWB will lose some important swing states as a result of it. Howard Stern has enormous influence with his listeners. He has started an anti GWB rant that will probably result in many non voters registering this election and many GWB supporters switching sides.

He has supported democrat and republican politicians in state and city elections in the past and his candidates have always won. Even when they were not the incumbent.

Howard Stern sux

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by storch
Hoover??!!!?? oh yea I remember him!!!! JFK and LBJ's bud given broad power by FDR Hoover the homocrat right?  He's dead now.  Or was it that he moved to Canada and only thinks he's dead, I don't remember.

was he the guy who had a "special" assistant that worked for him and wore a dress?

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
was he the guy who had a "special" assistant that worked for him and wore a dress?

No. Hoover wore the dress...or...was it only women's underwear? sheesh! No wonder he always seemed to have a burr up his a** ...

The double - lives of those who are drunk with power and control....

[lazs2]

habu... get out from under the tinfoil hat man..

I have listened to styern for years off and on and he is one potty mouthed panderer.. He is a whiner of the sienfeld comedy sitcom class... funny for a while but then ... simply annoying.

He is getting slammed because he is just getting more and more filthy mouthed on public radio in order to up his ratings.   He is trying to make up for a lack of talent with more on the air shock.  

That is all fine but why doesn't he be a man and admit it?   Why does he have to blame everyone for the mess he got himself in?

more importantly... How can someone who is reasonably bright fall for his... "i'ts all Bush's fault.. vote him out if you love free speech.." crapola?   Your "i'm voting for kerry because  bush is mean to stern" logic is sickeningly naive IMO.

you are willing to put in liberal judges and lfurther erode your 2nd amendment rights and slide toward socialism voting for kerry because... because you believe the crap that Bush is mean to stern?

lazs

lazs

[Habu]

Originally posted by lazs2
habu... get out from under the tinfoil hat man..

I have listened to styern for years off and on and he is one potty mouthed panderer.. He is a whiner of the sienfeld comedy sitcom class... funny for a while but then ... simply annoying.

He is getting slammed because he is just getting more and more filthy mouthed on public radio in order to up his ratings.   He is trying to make up for a lack of talent with more on the air shock.  

That is all fine but why doesn't he be a man and admit it?   Why does he have to blame everyone for the mess he got himself in?

more importantly... How can someone who is reasonably bright fall for his... "i'ts all Bush's fault.. vote him out if you love free speech.." crapola?   Your "i'm voting for kerry because  bush is mean to stern" logic is sickeningly naive IMO.

you are willing to put in liberal judges and lfurther erode your 2nd amendment rights and slide toward socialism voting for kerry because... because you believe the crap that Bush is mean to stern?

lazs

lazs

Stern has become less junvinile over the years. His show is what it is but he does not push the limits any more. That was being done by all the Stern wannabe shows out there.

He cannot even play tape of old shows from years back now as they would be obscene. It is the rules that have changed. Not Stern (except he is mellower).

I am as republican as they come. But voting republican does not mean I have to support an idiot for a president like Bush and does not mean he has the write to tell me what I can listen to in the morning.

I am not pro Kerry I am anti Bush.

I am not naive at all. I am afraid of much that Kerry might do if elected however he is not the one who is so arrogant as to alienate his supporters by letting the FCC go after radio shows they listen too and support.

If Bush is that dumb then turf him out I say. Good riddance.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Habu
I am not pro Kerry I am anti Bush.

they are one in the same and vise versa

habu - that is the silliest reason I have ever heard - LOL

maybe you should write your boy howie and tell him just how mad you are - maybe he'll send you an autographed poster of himself in some obscene gesture LOL

back to my original question -  what is different between now and 1942 or the 1950's or 60's? Imagine someone putting out a movie showing REAL links between daddy joe kennedy, unions and the mob while jfk was in office? no way jose - we have become tolerant of the intolerant, from our classrooms to the households & everywhere in between - anyone can do anything without accountability or real penalty or disgrace

[lazs2]

you believe the drivel that stern is spouting about Bush is  after stern personally?  you guys should share a tinfoil hat.

be honest... there is no opinion that stern has that is entertainoing or even well thought out enough to interest even the morons that smootch his butt on the show... if he didn't add the smut he would be down the tubes in a couple of weeks.

Bush isn't telling you what you can listen to...  the FCC is telling members what they can broadcast on the PUBLIC airwaves.   stern tries to wrap himself up in the cloak of lenny bruce but he is nothing like bruce who performed for paying adults.

Stern himself would not allow his children to listen to his show... That is what the FCC is all about... Think of them as the bouncer at the door checking ID's so that uneraged can't get in.  

As for moore... he is a liar and a panderer and will be a flash in the pan when he becomes too much of a joke and liability to the left he panders to.   Go ahead and count him as your friend... ignore his agenda in your zeal to defend stern against his imagined enemy Bush.

lazs

[Habu]

Richard Nixon lost an election because he did not shave.