HiTech "Arena Monitors"

[Downtown]

I fly warbirds.

I know that someone was flying, and someone else said something, and someone got offended.

I started making little jokes. Comments like I say something really offensive "Hillary Clinton," "Monica Lewinski," and "Alan Greenspan."

I did this as a joke to lighten the mood.

I am in favor of a good $#!+ cartoon type curse, or the old "Johnny Dangerous" type language "Fargin Bastages"

I work in the Auto Industry and am on a daily basis faced with a verbal assault that would make a nun melt.

I had to make a decision, either be offended, or not be offended.

I CHOOSE not to be offended by peoples language, or use of words.

Being offended by words you may as well be offended by language. I hate you because you speak russian?  Not my cup of tea.

Generally speaking I have noticed that people who use language like that are either looking for attention, which he got because of those of you who responded to him, asking him to stop.  If he hadn't been looking for attention, he would have stopped when you asked.

Or the individual hasn't the faintest idea that his/her language is offensive. I.E. the grew up hearing that language on a regular basis, its impact on them in nearly minimal.  What a good many people consider offensive are slightly more colorful adverbs to them.  For these individual it is more difficult for them to recognize that they are offending people, because they simply do not understand that what they are doing is offensive.

There are only three things I know of to do.

1. dotIgnore or dotsquelch the offender.
2. Start making jokes that draw the attention away from the offender.

Either way the offender isn't getting the attention they desire.

3. Have a long discussion with a person to explain that some individuals choose to be offended by certain words they are using, ask them to attempt to refrain from using those words.

And of course there is always the choice not to be offended.

If you are concerned that children are flying in AH and the offending words are appearing in the text buffer, I suggest that you message the children, advise them to .ignore or .squelc Xxxxxxxxx and then do so yourself.

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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG


[This message has been edited by Downtown (edited 10-23-1999).]

[Westy]

 At the time I was offended because I'd seen very little in the way of profanity being slung around.  My way line of thinking is to tolerate none. That way what does slip occurs it is just that, a slip and hopefully not much of it at all occurs.
 I'd gather that the last thing HiTech Creations wants to do is garner extra staff to play arena cop. In a different online sim
I had done just that. And to be honest it's a lousy chore. But whan a sim offers Relaxed Realism well.......  (not saying the hard core/full real folks don't get out of line but they do it *much* more infrequently)
 Since I do not want to, nor can I, control what other people feel is appropriate language on the radio waves when online what  I did was tape the ignore/squelch commands on my monitor top.
 I can deal with an someone who likes to 'f' that and 'f' this fine. I have a hard time dealing with a lack of support. So instead I'll squelch and let the AT or future staff deal with it.
 But it was not that I was berated by other folks. I felt my effort to get a player to change thier language was being made fun of and mocked. A lack of support - let alone a lack of respect of any kind.  I mean the word 'diddly' does not lie in a gray area.
 Well. Enough from me. Back to flying, testing and enjoying the sim and enough of this baloney.
 I'll macro the squelch command if I have to    

--westy

[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 10-23-1999).]

[dotsie]

I just have to respond. I am the pilot who offended Westy on the night in question, although my brief and *solitary* sentence (repeatedly Westy? You lie im afraid) was neither aimed at him nor meant to offend anybody. It came about as i was about as I was bnzing a bad guy and was just about to smoke him when i pressed auto trim instead of zoom button!...ARRRRRGH!...immediate pull up followed by lonnnnnng black out. :-(

As i remember it took a bit to set up and I was spitting bile at my fat fingeredness. I just had to let it out and so across pulic chat came "diddly!" followed by quick explanation over team chat. Westy then asked me to change my tone. Still feeling a bit stung I responded with "Please dont censor me". I prbably should have just explained but interpersonal skills aint my forte. He said he was offended by my rantings. He may have been right too be but I am staunchly anti censorship and hate others feeling that because the actions of other dont conform to their perspective of right and wrong that they must stop to please that individual. I called him a "nazi" ( A bad call by me...now that was offensive) and then tried to explain that while he found diddly offensive where Im from its quite literally one of the most common words u will hear eg. "Did u see that diddlyin Ireland v Macedonia game?!!..diddly me man..why do i support those shreckin useless gits!" (I really do love them though, even if they are toejam :-> ) This setense would neither be meant as or found offensive thus i have no problem with the word. I tried to explain this but he just insulted me and my home with childish remarks "you obviously live in a gutter". Your unconstrucive closed minded response makes me wonder whether my nazi remark wasn't that far off. In your post you make reference that if the price was increased it would keep out the (in your view) unwanted's. This was not an ironic observation. It was the obnoxious remark of a snob. Sadly I have found its not those with the most money who are more civilised and good. Probably the opposite. I was wrong to curse..I should have realised the internet is not Dublin and I should have thought before opening my big stupid mouth, but you were more wrong to condemn and proceeded to show an unseemly lack of this "maturity" your so proud of. Now can we please let this go and call it mates?

Dotsie
David Bolger

[Minotaur]

WOW, this is a hot thread!  Lots of emotion.

Censorship, don't need it.

Politeness, do need it.

You can't hurt a soul by typing a word on screen.  (Unless it contains the words; Pick up your final check on Monday!   )  Any hurt that is inflicted is that individual inflicting it to themselves, REACTING to a word typed on screen.  

The "What if my kid sees it" argument does not hold water.  Unless that parent does not watch or does not allow TV.  Or modern culture music.  Or exposure to computer games.  Or presence in public or non public places without ear muffling devices.  Or never ever ever uses profanity at any time so help me, by gosh. Or many other OR's.

Is AH a game? It just hit me, I'm no longer sure.  It can't be it is only Beta.

Kids don't grow up in bubbles, they have heard or seen, or they will hear or see, those "Naughty Words".  The kids are not harmed.  It is the parent knowing the kids see or hear them, the  parent is harmed.  More importantly it is the parents negative reaction that effects the child, not the profanity.

For whatever reason, I could really $%%*@#% care less.  It is just MORE POLITE not to type profanity on screen.  It is just MORE POLITE not to use verbal profanity in public.

Be tolerant of some one slipping with occasional profanity.  If you are the slipper, just apologize and change your behavior. (Oh Confusias Say   )

Game wise then, everone has the same amount of fun.  One individuals experience is not diminished because of another.

And one more thing, Mitsu should never shoot me down any more!  

Mino

[indian]

The slip or occasional is not what this is about it is not about censorship it is about politeness. It take time to type the words and it does not impress anyone. Sooner or later we will have to deal with the Braggers who talk about every dweeb that they ever shot down. But this is still a game and emotions will spill over, it is a game of skill which some have and others do not. The thing is its not if Im offended or not someone else might be it proves nothing to anyone with that kind of language.

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[hblair]

I just read this thread for the first time, and it always cracks me up   when someone suggests to someone else to chill out with their language, then that person gets labeled a "censor". That is laughable.

Don't get me wrong, when my buddies and I are on roger wilco in Warbirds our language would peel wallpaper, no words are out of bounds for us, dirty jokes, the whole nine yards   . That is between us guys, and for the record, I too have let words slip over channel 100 in WB's, don't think it was FU*K though.  

I can see where a guy would get pissed if some joker keeps saying the word "FU*K" on the open channel. Its like someone backing up to ya in public and farting in your face. It is not illegal but it sure is tasteless!   LOL

And to suggest that the word FU*K is just a word and shouldn't be offensive, go suggest to your boss that you think you are due a FU*CKING raise. If he becomes upset, explain to him, sir it is JUST a word and therefore shouldn't be offensive.  

Ok I've got on my asbestos suit, fire up the flamethrowers  
 

 

[Wicked]

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