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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2004, 12:39:31 AM »
I dont think the draft will ever be oiled up again.

Even if it is, you have the option NOT to serve your country when called up.  Canada is cold, Mexico is warm.  Do you like to play hockey or go swimming?  Its really up to you.

You have rights given to you in this country - but they do not come without responsibilties.

Serving your country in a time of need is one of those responsibilities - regardless of whether or not you 'believe' in the reason for your service.

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« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2004, 12:44:00 AM »
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Un-called for schadenfreude... Highly un-called for, whether you are talking about me or the people im talking about.


I think he might have been recalling his college fraternity initiation.

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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2004, 12:59:11 AM »
Being that my family has a history in the Armed Forces dating to World War I...It was sort of a thing to join...I had signed up with a friend to go into the Air Force and go into flight training..but it was not to be because i blew my right shoulder out. If i was physically able to complete the physical i would definately go if drafted but ATM i am unable to. If i was i would go in as a Marine though (family tradition thing)


And to all the other politics in this thread :rolleyes:

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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2004, 01:11:06 AM »
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the 52nd state (UK) will follow suit soon ;) :p


52nd state??

Mind letting us in the states know which is the 51st?
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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2004, 01:19:40 AM »
I think the 51 is Mexico, ain't it?......lol.
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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2004, 01:23:03 AM »
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I think the 51 is Mexico, ain't it?......lol.


No but perhaps it should be. That would help to solve some of our oil problems and the border problems in one fell swoop
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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2004, 02:22:15 AM »
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Un-called for schadenfreude... Highly un-called for, whether you are talking about me or the people im talking about.


I was talking about teenagers heading off to join the army just in time for a war in general rather than aiming my comments at anyone in particular - something which included myself once a upon a time - and the fact that at that age we all forget three things.

1. You are not immortal even if you feel you are.

2. Bad **** can and does happen.

3. Dying is NOT the worst thing that can happen.

Born on the 4th of July should be prescribed viewing in my opinion.

Having said that please feel free to take offence if you so wish...

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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2004, 03:42:10 AM »
The Airforce has enough people.  Join the Army.

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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2004, 04:06:05 AM »
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FWIW... I'd like to say I'll proudly continue to serve, and defend your right to be a retard.


Just as those who have done so before you to give you the same right  < S >  ;)

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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2004, 06:23:58 AM »
There is nothing romantic about war.  Only that inter strength that you will achieve after looking into the face of death and surving.Your eyes will be open to the hearts of the world and you will stand there with confidence.
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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2004, 08:24:58 AM »
Just a quick couple of posts.

I'm 43, served with the 82nd Airborne and guess what, I want
to get back in to serve my country during this pivitol period.
Problem is, I can't.  They say I'm a little too vintage
for them now.  Bummer.  So I understand your desire to
help our nation through military service.

As for joining the military now, while the desire
is admirable, I would strongly suggest that you
wait until AFTER THE ELECTION in November.  If Kerry
sneaks in on the backs of misled and misinformed voters
then I would strongly advise AGAINST joining.

I served during the tail end of Jimmy Carter's
administration.  That moron and his idiotic policies
nearly destroyed the military.  At one point the
82nd was the ONLY combat-ready division-size
unit in the entire US Army. I can remember during
our M-60 training that we had only a limited supply
of ammunition to train with.  And when we were
undergoing initial LAW training, guess what, we
got to fire just 1 round!  Thank God Ronald
Reagan was elected after him!  The difference
was notable and dramatic.  We came from being a forgotten
'waste of money' (in the dems view) to an integral
part of our nation's defense.

The democrats haven't understood the military since
World War II (but that Democrat party died a long time
ago).  Today's democrats think the military should be
used to hand out H'ours Dourves at White House dinner
parties or to dispense food to the third world.  To them the
armed forces are a waste of money that could be better
spent on social programs that haven't worked and that,
in fact, have weakend the very fabric of America.

Moreover, they don't
trust the military, hence their propensity to micro-manage
it. They think the armed forces should be used to perform
social engineering (women in combat, gays in the military),
not fighting our enemies.  To them, we should use the military
to 'buy' the love and respect of the world by passing out
food and acting as 'peacekeepers.'  

This attitude is merely
a reflection of their approach to social problems here in the
US.  They spend your money on programs to curry favor
with select voters in the hope that they will like the dems
and vote for them in upcoming elections.  This nonsense
is bad enough for America but such an approach in international
affairs is a recipe for disaster.

Basically, they don't like the military because the armed forces
represent America's strength (folks, the dems think America is
the problem), and they don't want to fund the military because
they would rather pay people to sit home, get pregnant, and buy
a few votes by creating government-sponsored program dependencies.

In summary, the dems are big time bad news for the military.
At best they will marginalize the military and will fail to
appreciate their mission.  Our brave and gallant US warriors
will be placed at the beck and call of the corrupt United Nations,
the new world government the dems delight in subordinating
themselves to. At worst they will micro-manage military
operations to the point of paralysis and get people killed.

The military's mission is simple.  They are sent out to 'kill people
and break things'.  We ask them to risk death, dismemberment,
injury and to leave they're families for long periods of time.  

We ask them to sacrifice everything they have and everything
they will ever have on our behalf.

We send them to confront and destroy those who would destroy
us.  Norman Schwarzkopf said it better than I ever could
when he remarked "once the decision to use force is made,
you don't get points for showing restraint."

The new-era liberal democrats and the self-annointed
elite media just don't get that.  Their ignorance is unfathomable
and dangerous.  They are bad for America.

So please do yourselves a favor.  Wait for the election
to be decided.  Then you can make a better and more
informed decision on whether joining is the way to go.

Hope this helps...

David
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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2004, 09:36:12 AM »
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Just as those who have done so before you to give you the same right  < S >  ;)


Shaddap twinkie... :)

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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2004, 11:33:00 AM »
If bush is reelected there is probably a 50% chance of a draft.  He cant keep extending the National Guard call ups till they retire in Iraq.

StracCop. That long post might make some sense if the war on terror wasnt being fought with Bill Clintons army. They seem to be doing just fine.

Falcon64. What your coutnry needs is infantry. Why dont you sight up for that?

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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2004, 11:49:09 AM »
Why do you have to pay for college and Universities ?

But its mabye a good idea that you have to pay for it. Then you dont have to deal with the morons that drop out after 6 months "because it is to much hard work :D.

No pay for it in norway and yes we have to draft 1 year in army,airforce or navy (well when I did it was 15 months in navy/airforce)
I am a Norwegian eating my fish, and still let my wife mess me around in stupid shops...

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« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2004, 12:03:12 PM »
Yes, it's pretty much Mr. Clinton's army. Although starting in 2000, military spending increased significantly.

The one that everyone keeps saying is "short of troopers".

From 1990 to about 1998, the active Army ranks were reduced from 770,000 to 495,000. The Army was cut to 10 active combat divisions compared to the 18 it had at the start of Operation Desert Storm in 1991.
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