'Fahrenheit 9/11' a No. 1 Hit Across America

[Eagler]

Originally posted by ravells
Sometimes it takes a stronger man to admit that he's made a mistake?

Ravs

what mistake?

Iraq? Not a mistake in the eyes of many, more like a beginning

Moore-on? yes, maybe his dad will admit to that mistake - LOL

[Yeager]

Ravs true, this thing just goes round and round and at some point you just have to make a decision and stick with it.

[Mighty1]

MM by his own admission edited the movie in a way that made quotes given different than their original meaning. That does NOT make them facts nor does it make the movie a documentary.

The person may have said the words but they didn't say them in the order he put them in the movie.

Hell I have no problem with someone coming out with a movie that bashes Bush but what I have a problem with is someone coming out making a political statement trying to disguise it as a documentary.

It may be funny it may have some truth in it but it is propaganda NOT a documentary.

This movie is nothing more than MM trying to get Bush out of office.

[ravells]

FWIW, Eagler, I don't think the actual decision to invade Iraq was a mistake (although it may still be too soon to tell) but I do think that (put at its kindest) the reasons supporting that decision were mistaken.

I see nothing wrong in Bush / Blair saying, 'Look we're sorry we screwed up the reasoning behind this thing, but now we are there, we have to see it through to the end', as Yeager says.

Of course they won't say that because it is such a rare thing for politicians (of any hue) to actually come out and say they were wrong about something.

Ravs

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Yeager
I made a commitment and I will see it through success or failure.

He said sitting at home in front of his computer.  

then your a weakling plain and simple in my estimation.  A nice weakling for sure.

He said sitting at home in front of his computer.

[midnight Target]

Sometimes inappropriate commitments can cause over 50,000 American deaths. I read this in a History book. I also remember it.

The point is... (for the point getting impaired) ... that dissent doesn't become wrong just because the troops are in the field. It IS possible to support the troops and even to pray for their ultimate victory, while finding fault with the CIC and his agenda.

You may return to your bashing now.

[AKIron]

If you're going to bring Vietnam into this then we have to look at what our failure to follow through on that commitment cost in lives.

[Yeager]

oh squealing beautiful thrawn.  grow up for christ sake.

[Eagler]

rav

hindsight is 20/20

at the time the intel said one thing, now we find another

it was still the right move at the right time for "the war on terror"

changing the face of the middle east, it had to start somewhere and Iraq was the best place/reason for its birthplace

Blair/Bush have nothing to apologize for imo and to just do so because some would "feel better " if they did, would reflect weakness on our part to our enemies

[Yeager]

Imagine a thriving and democratic South Vietnam with a powerhouse economy like South Korea!  oh wait, that wouldnt fit John Kerries view on communism........

[Wanker]

Originally posted by Yeager
There is no debate for me.  I made a commitment and I will see it through success or failure.  Too often in the nations history it makes a commitment and then backs off leaving friends in a lurch and enemies stronger.  You play it however you want but if you supported the thing then changed your mind based on a leftist anti americans (moore) propaganda piece then your a weakling plain and simple in my estimation.  A nice weakling for sure.  No squabbles wank.

please yourself bro.

Yeager, first of all...I did not come to any conclusion based on anything Michael Moore has said or anything he has ever made as a filmmaker.


I think if you study 20th century history, you will find many instances where countless lives could've been saved had governments decided NOT to "see it through" to the bitter end.

Ever read any World War One history? Talk about a pointless war, fought for such noble things as honor and national dignity. Once the battle of movement in 1914 came to an end in December, the stagnation of trench warfare set in, and the governments involved could have decided to negotiate some sort of peace. Instead, they chose to "see it through to the end, whether success or failure", with catastrophic results. The result of such noble commitment? Multiple governments toppled, millions killed, maimed, widowed, fatherless.....not to mention the direct effect of being the cause of World War Two.

Is it always better to "See it through to the end"? I don't think so.

Even though I have retracted my support of the Bush administration in their invasion of Iraq, I do believe that we have to finish the job that we started, and make the commitment to the Iraqi people to help them make their country a successful democracy.

Yeager, which country is going to be next for some bellybutton kicking? Obviously, WMD and a proven connection to Al Quaeda are not needed to justify invasion. Should we do Iran or Syria next? Why not go for it all and take on China while we still have a military advantage?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by banana
Should we do Iran or Syria next? Why not go for it all and take on China while we still have a military advantage?

Now yer talkin'.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Yeager
oh squealing beautiful thrawn.  grow up for christ sake.

No, you grow up.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by banana
.... and take on China while we still have a military advantage?

after a few more dumbacrat POTUS's giving away a few more military secrets in exchange for $$$$ for the party of the donkey, you may wish we had..

[Yeager]

you childish imp.

Im done with you No. 4 good riddance