Soon all that liked the 1.03 FM are gone...

[easymo]

 Im still around (sorta  ). I dont remember N1k,s being all that easy to kill. I flew it most of the time.

[BUG_EAF322]

" the only one thing that is permanent that is change "

I didn't like 1.03 as much as i do 1.04
but did not flown it as much as this version.
Still it stays a chess game. only a bit more hectic

[Dowding]

I have no idea about how a combat aircraft should manoever (which I suspect is the case for the majority of people here). All I can go on is the published data, and like Funked says, this shows that 1.03 was unrealistic compared to 1.04.

I much prefer 1.04 and have done better with this version than 1.03 (although I was a raw newbie back then).

[SFRT - Frenchy]

I liked 1.03 better. You could at least bleed the energy of a niki or a spit. in 1.04, even a starting pilot can always find a way to aim the nose to you.

How well... who cares  

[Kats]

Interestingly, I bet if you fly 1.04 the way you flew 1.03, you'd be a much better pilot.

[hblair]

What Wardog said.

[Jekyll]

1.03 any day over 1.04.

Whilst the aircraft may well have bled too much energy in 1.03, this served as a tradeoff for the uber pilot capabilities (unlimited strength, perfect G tolerance etc).

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[GrinBird]

Hmmm For me its pretty ironic.. I think you Americans have a saying that goes something like: "Be carefull what you wish for.."

Since open beta I had wished that HTC would make AH FMs a bit lighter, a bit less speed bleeding. And a bit lesss favourizing the E-fighters. Easy to hit and kill combined with heavy speed bleed, gave all the odds to the hi P51 who was on the low Spit.

When version 1.04 came out I got a chock, - "WHERE WAS MY OLD BELOVED ACESHIGH GONE?" I felt it like a completely new game, and felt I had lost my old game.
I didnt whine about it at least not on the BBS, because I thought that Hitech was using the "turn up" trick, like the trick I used at home when I was teenager. When I wanted to hear some music loud, I turned up the stereo very loud, and when my parents asked me to turn down, I turned it a bit down to satisfy them, and I could hear loud music while everybody was happy.
 But HTC did never turn FMs a bit back again, and thats a shame. I think the FM needed to be changed in the direction of 1.04 but HTC gave it a bit too much. Now the gamebalance is tipped, and its the turnfighters that holds the best cards.
Turning it a bit back towards 1.03 would make a perfect balance between E-fighting and turnfighting.
Dont get me wrong.. I still like AH. But its a fact that 1.04 allmost threw me off, and I still feel like a rookie in 1.04, because my work isnt giving me time enuf for training myself up to pre 1.04 standard.  

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[gatt]

Kats,
if you fly 1.04 the way you flew 1.03 you'll see weird things. Like fighters doing a 180 flat turn without loosing much E and gaining on you and shoot you down. Even if you extend without pulling any G. But what-the-hell-do-I-know? Ah, yes they call it Lead-Turn   My leave is ending, I miss you all, so I'm entitled to whine  

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[StSanta]

Yehaw, the gattmastah will be back  

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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[Kats]

Gatt, not be argumentative - and my flying time in AH is extremely limited, but this is what throws me off.

Wasn't the FM re-adjustment across the board? If so, shouldn't everything still be relative with the only exception being that all planes give you an extra latitude in manouvering proportional to it's original manouverablity?

If this is NOT the case, then I suggest the new FM might have magnified certain flaws in the FM that always had existed - calling for more fine tuning.

As far as playability and acurate FM's are concerened, you cannot knowingly dumb down FM's because people say they had more fun. The draw in games such as these and at these prices is the perception that you are actually experiencing the nuances of the different FM's and combat. If you destroy this perception, you also destroy the motivation of players to take ACM seriously and commit to the hobby.

[llbm_MOL]

What Kats said...and Wardog.......

I want the FM to be AS CLOSE! as possible to the real thing. As far as the T&B planes haveing the edge....i think not. I turn my Jug with them all the time. And actually win once in awhile.

LLB OUT!!!!!!!!

[-lazs-]

well... I'm one of the ones who came to AH because of 1.04 and i know of half a dozen others.   I HATED 1.03 and earlier.... it blurred all the the turns unrealistically.   It gave way to much empahasis on climb and speed while taking away from an ac's ability to avoid.   I come to fly simulated WWII ac not play chess... in the sky or otherwise.   In 1.03 any plane that was below you was ded.  He could not evade a decent pilot.   I think a lot of people liked that aspect even if it was unrealistic....   To them, it was "chess of the sky" to me it was phony FM with unhistoric performance.   If those same people are leaving then i probly won't miss em.  

In WWII u just couldn't turn with (and kill by it) certain planes.   AH 1.03 and earlier ignored that fact.   1.04 gioves back some ACM ability and some historic strengths and weaknesses to some of the AC.   1.03 was wrong and... it excluded some very fine planes and acm.   If you could/would only fly one particular type of ac or style then certainly, you would like all the other ac to sit still and allow you to blast em out of the sky.   If you like to simulate flying the strengths and weaknesses of WWII ac then 1.04 is the better game.    To be in a Spit or Hog and turning in the mush world of 1.03 while some pig of a (LOL) 190A8 follows my turn long enough to blast me was not that fun.  
lazs

[popeye]

Kats,

My take on this is that 1.03 (unintentionally) compensated for the lack of a pilot fatigue model, with limitations in the flight model.  The result was -- in the minds of many players -- more "realistic" ACM.  Since the plane would burn E rapidly in hard maneuvers, the player needed to be conservative with ACM, planning and executing every move with care.

Since the turn rates and E maintanence were increased in 1.04, without the addition of pilot fatigue, a player can now yank and bank in and out of blackout with abandon.  To many, this seems less "realistic", or at least "less fun".  Others love it.

[Maniac]

"Interestingly, I bet if you fly 1.04 the way you flew 1.03, you'd be a much better pilot."

Yes and no, sorry aint got time to go deeper in to the discussion right now  

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