Soon all that liked the 1.03 FM are gone...

[gatt]

Never mind, this is only "take or leave" and I've decided to stay. But I cant help laughing ... eheh


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[F4UDOA]

Gents,

The one thing that everybody is forgetting about 1.03 is that while it was an easier FM for some it was Wrong. Glide ratio's on A/C were on average 4 or 5 to 1. That is 5 feet forward for every 1 foot down. This is a good measure of either E-retention or just plain lift being mismodeled. In 1.04 the F4U is at a 12:1 ratio which is historically accurate. This lack of ability to either glide or retain energy gave A/C like the Me109G10 with a high power to weight ratio an unrealistic advantage. As soon as the fight got slow the aircraft with the best acceleration would win. This is not realistic. The A/C with the best wing loading should have the advantage ie. the Zero versus 109G10.

Remember it is not enough not to like something. It has to be proven wrong otherwise it is just wining.

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[Hooligan]

I find it terribly amusing when people talk about certain aircraft "not bleeding E".  Every aircraft I've ever flown in this game bleeds plenty of E when I fly em.  Occasionally enemy aircraft seem to do interesting things when I'm fighting them but whenever I fly that same aircraft it sure doesn't seem uber then  .

Hooligan

[Spatula]

I tend to think the 1.04 model may be more historically correct from what eveidence there has been posted so far. I liked the 1.03 FM cause i really favoured E-Fighting/B&Z tactics over T&B tactics. Those who prefer E tactics found that their old 1.03 tricks werent working as easy as they used to, so we had to relearn what was workable and what wasn't.

Its kinda annoying sometimes when a con seems to summon E from nowhere and nail you as you zoom (normally a misjudgment of relative E), but it also means that if your at the disadvantage you have at least some chance of fighting back.

It still is a game of chess, just that the rules are slightly different now.

I still rather would have the 1.03 FM tho  

As WD said: adapt - Pure darwinism...

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[Kirin]

Kats: "Interestingly, I bet if you fly 1.04 the way you flew 1.03, you'd be a much better pilot.
"

If you fly 1.04 the way you flew 1.03, you'd be a much deader pilot... especially when flying a non infinite-E plane...

More than once I experienced those 180-and-still-gain-on-you-while-you-did-not-pull-the-slightest-E-turns... that's not only annyoing but purely unrealistic by every physic law.

If T&B was the only way historic engagements worked why did most warplanes trade speed for manouverability in their development.

I really loved the 1.03 FM - as previoulsy said you were able to bleed your foes E using cunning moves and foresight. T&B and E-Fighters were on a equal stepping - giving credit to the better pilot not the machine. Nowadays Nikis and Spits can just break-turn on every attack you make without loosing any of their E. It doesn't need any skill anymore to negate an attack without putting yourself into a bad situation...

AH is developing into the wrong direction IMHO. First it was a sim with the most advanced FM out there - hard to learn and even harder to master. The plane set was more or less balanced, superior plane characteristics had to be bought with a real drawbacks in another. T&B planes were successful but had a hard time with well flown E-Fighters - which were the home of the experten anyway. Then more and more "pilot-aids" were added, the FM was tuned down and plane set lost its balance. Sure, the game is now more accessible to new pilots (which is not bad at all) but that makes it feel more like AW3 to me. My favourite ride there was the Emil... used the same tactics as our Nik and Spit driver use nowadays... and that's not why I came to AH.

For me it looks like AH is DE-volving at the moment... I really hope 1.5 will even out some of the x-phenomenons but since HTC is concentrating on the navy I doubt this will be the case.

Yup, the navy... I know a lot of people want it to appear here and I see no reason why it shouldn't but I think that the flying part should be refined and perfected first. It seems to be the HTC trys everything to attract as many people as possible before WW2Online or WB3 come ashore. Using big, colourful neon advertisments - AH is realising one of my greatest fears I have for WW2Online... wanting to be jack of all trades while master in none...  I think what made AH so attractive is/was the flying part... this should be the way AH goes with all consequence...

bah - to tired to think & type...  

to put it in a nutshell:

1.03 HUI
1.04 PFUI

-->  in german...

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[jedi]

Hmmm.  If the new FM does a better job of matching the RL numbers, wouldn't that mean that the new FM is more realistic, and therefore "better?"  And folks are actually leaving because of that?

Things that make ya go hmmm.

--jedi

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[easymo]

I only got to vote once.

[jihad]

 1.03 please,or a middle ground between the two.

 BnZ is basically dead in this version.  

[Citabria]

b&z is alive in 1.04 more than ever before!!!


my best b&z kill streak in 1.03 was 40 kills in a p38.

my best b&z streak in 1.04 start of tour 9 was 89 kills using p51, p38, f4u1d, 109g10 and spit and it ended by a lucky 1 ping 88mm ripping off my spitfires wing as i took off from a captured knit field next to a factory  

and even after that my streak in the p-38L during tour 9 was 61 kills and 0 deaths and landed every one of em  

b&z dead?

only more dangerous if done poorly.

[Jekyll]

 

In 1.03 any plane that was below you was ded. He could not evade a decent pilot. I think a lot of people liked that aspect even if it was unrealistic....

Hmmm "unrealistic" ?????

"Everything in the air that is beneath me, especially if it is a one-seater ... is lost, for it cannot shoot to the rear"

Baron Manfred von Richthofen.

"Always above, seldom on the same level, never underneath"

Major Edward "Mick" Mannock, RAF


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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/phoenix
Aces High Training Corps

[gatt]

 

In 1.03 any plane that was below you was ded. He could not evade a decent pilot. I think a lot of people liked that aspect even if it was unrealistic....

LOL  

[-lazs-]

Sheesh, quoting the red baron about WWI planes.... You want 1.04 planes to bleed e like a WWI plane?   I think that is the case.

I find it kinda laughable that people would sacrafice realistic FM's so that they could "balance" out the T&B and B&Z...   In this case (as in allmost all) the end does not justify the means... The "end" of balancing out TB and BZ is false... The slowere poorer climbing and accelerating TB planes give up everything and the BZ planes give up nothing.   There is no balance.   The new FM is not only accurate but gives balance.   climb and acceleration are still as useful as ever but now an agile plane can avoid a clumsy bz attack whoes only skill had been to plan to be above his enemy with a decent exit srtrat.

All I remember was a bunch of guys circling around waiting for someone to engage another plane so they could bz him.   everyone ran away from any hint of a fight that might have them at a 1K disadvantage.   No acm ever.   Good ol days my butt.
lazs

[Pepino]

 

Originally posted by F4UDOA:

Remember it is not enough not to like something. It has to be proven wrong otherwise it is just wining.

[/B]

 

Originally posted by Citabria:

b&z dead?

only more dangerous if done poorly.

[/B]

Ditto & Ditto.

Cheers,

Pepe

[Torque]

What Wardog said but that's just typically of a Canadian.  

[Kats]

Popeye, I agree with you on the pilot fatigue issue.

In Janes F18 for eg, they more G's you pull the less g tolerence your pilot has. IE quicker onset of black out.