Author Topic: AH2 SUX with ATI Cards! - HITECH READ!!! (Read 6720 times)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #15 on:** July 02, 2004, 08:15:52 AM »

Place your hands in front of you.
Touch only your fingertips together and hold them together.
Close your eyes and take a deep breath.
now in a soft toned voice while breathing in through your nose and out through your mouth repeat over and over for about 10 min.
"ohhmmmmmnn"
"Ohhhmmmmnn"
"ohhhmmmmnn"
Relax.

Now, Try re posting

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2004, 08:44:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Octavius
Have you noticed the vets have been relatively quiet?

Good Point Octavius, they know how to tweak something if need be, and they ( most of them) are used to this type flight model, which from what I hear is the same FM, as AH1 ust more realistic settings. correct me if I am wrong.........everyone else does:D

SlapShot · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2004, 08:53:10 AM »

which from what I hear is the same FM, as AH1 ust more realistic settings

"Same" means "equal".

So if AH II has more realistic settings, then it can't be the "same" ... and it isn't.

At this point I am use to the AH II flight model, more than most, cause I flew alot in the AH II Beta Arena getting prepared for the switch over.

mora · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:01:19 AM »

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Originally posted by FT_Animal
The standard VCR runs at like 22-24 fps.
If you are getting an average FPS of 45 then you have *nothing* to be complaining about. As someone else said, that's twice then what's needed to be playable. IF you drop below 22-24 then things get shaky and pretty much unplayable.

VCR is stutter free unlike computer graphics. At lower framerates all the inevitable stutter is more pronounced. Only when you go to around 40 or over it starts to appear silk smooth. Something like 25 FPS is fine for MSFS but not for a combat sim.

SlapShot · « **Reply #19 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:02:31 AM »

You guys had better spend some time trying to fix this and soon because there are a lot of VERY UNHAPPY people out there right now. People are giving it a month or so and then gonna drop like flies. This is going the same way AWIII went and you guys are driving people away now.

I can picture it ...

HT: Yup ... AH II is out. Everybody gets the next 2 months off.

Pyro: HT ... what are you going to do with all your time off ?

HT: Well ... I think I will read the BBS and see how pissed off I can get people and then go fly my RV-8 all day.

Pyro: Aren't you concerned about fixing bugs ?

HT: Nah ... I want Aces High to go down the tubes so that I can get a job programming for some big corporation rather than own my own company. I thought I might sell pencils on street corners while I get my resume out on Monster.com

Pyro: HT .. what about the rest of us ?

HT: Sorry ... Your on your own.

Muddie · « **Reply #20 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:10:39 AM »

NO we don't !!!!!

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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Good Point Octavius, they know how to tweak something if need be, and they ( most of them) are used to this type flight model, which from what I hear is the same FM, as AH1 ust more realistic settings. correct me if I am wrong.........everyone else does:D

NUKE · « **Reply #21 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:17:01 AM »

Game runs flawlessly for me. I have the ATI Radeon 9800 pro and haven't had one problem with it or AHII.

Sikboy · « **Reply #22 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:36:54 AM »

He's right though, this is going exactly like the AWIII release for me. Both installed and played flawlessly at release. Although, I had to pay 40 bucks for the AWIII box lol.

-Sik

Electroman · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:43:06 AM »

Ummm...

Let's see...I've been around the Aces High scene since AW went down the tubes and I think that's been over 2 years ago. It's not that I don't know about the "excellent service" that HTC provides. I know they have done a good job in the past with getting things under control.

The main difference is that AH1 has been relatively stable for the past 2 years in terms of gameplay and the fixes were not as drastic as required on AH2.

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Originally posted by Octavius
Have you noticed the vets have been relatively quiet? Thats right, things always seem to work themselves out at HTC. Had you been around for the last 4 years, you too would know of the excellent service they provide. You're probably not used to the regular updates and fast patching either. Patience is a virtue.

maik · « **Reply #24 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:48:45 AM »

first: you should've been her 4 years ago.

second: no Problems with radeon since beta here

third: statements about FM, esp comparison tiffie and 190d9 is simply not true.

geez getting tired of those endless trolls

Electroman · « **Reply #25 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:49:23 AM »

Previously had a GeForce2 card, switched to ATI - totally different drivers and card was removed from the device manager before I started.

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Originally posted by deSelys
You must've screwed your card installation. Have you completely cleaned up the previous drivers before installing the new ones??

Ahhh the virtues of RTFM...

Electroman · « **Reply #26 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:56:01 AM »

Oh please...

Lets not get into technical crap about video on television / vcr's versus on a computer because they are not quite the same. at 30 FPS on a television you hardly notice a damned thing. On a computer you do.

As for the flight model....yes, I suppose that I have a large gripe with this. A number of things were changed that made the switchover almost unbearable with all of the added problems of video issues as well.

When you sit in the tower and the video stutters let alone try to get in a furball and the FPS drops to around 20 - 25....it's a reall problem.

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Originally posted by FT_Animal
Ok first,

Sloooowly put the drugs down, and back away.

1) What exactly do you think programmers update games for?, so everything stays the same? The new FM is capible of being more accurate then the AH1 FM, which compared to Ah2 is archadish in a way.

2) The standard VCR runs at like 22-24 fps.
If you are getting an average FPS of 45 then you have *nothing* to be complaining about. As someone else said, that's twice then what's needed to be playable. IF you drop below 22-24 then things get shaky and pretty much unplayable.

3) the human eye *cannot* detect a FPS change over 40 FPS, I think (look it up). SO to the human eye 160 FPS looks just like, say 40 FPS. It's how low it drops when art gets intense is what counts.

IMO your real snivel seems to focus on the FM. It's a new game called AH2, it's not AH1, therefore it won't handle like AH1, it's not suppose to, don't hold your breath to a fix to something that was intensional.

Your misconception of what an update is, is not HTC's fault. ;-)

Don't mind me, I'm just the village idiot.

Anim

Electroman · « **Reply #27 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:58:08 AM »

Thanks and I'll give this a try.

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Originally posted by MrLars
I have the 9600XT also on a 2gig machine.

I was dissapointed with the performance also but having to tweak several machines in the past 8 or 9 years flying AW and now AH2 for better performance I wouldn't just give it up and biatch about it.

First I OC'd my processor to 2.4g but only gained a few fps. Then I OC'd the vid card and the difference was pretty dramatic.

I max out at my monitor refresh rate of 100hz at 1024x768 if I'm at 15k or more or if I look straight up. In furballs it's very playable at about 35-45fps, a heavely damaged field will drag it down another 10fps but it's still playable and if I turn off 4x FSAA I gain 10-15fps back in the same situation.

What I'm getting at is that you can either struggle along with the setup that you have and wait for HTC to work all the performance issues out or you can do a few things that will make your machine run AH2 at an acceptable level of performance now and even better when HTC does his thing.

If you want to try to OC the 9600XT try these numbers with the latest Omega drivers.

Core 553.50 Memory 330.75.

These settings are stable for me and I get no weird artifacts.

BEWARE, read up on OCing and the heat dangers before trying. If you have a machine that has good circulation and airflow around the vid card there should be no problem.

Wilbus · « **Reply #28 on:** July 02, 2004, 10:01:34 AM »

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Ummm... Let's see...I've been around the Aces High scene since AW went down the tubes and I think that's been over 2 years ago. It's not that I don't know about the "excellent service" that HTC provides. I know they have done a good job in the past with getting things under control. The main difference is that AH1 has been relatively stable for the past 2 years in terms of gameplay and the fixes were not as drastic as required on AH2.

AH1 was stable for 2 years and had been stable for another 2 years (?) before that. AH1 was not stable when it got out of beta (the vets know). AH2 just got out of beta, HTC them self said it is the least buggy release they've made.

Ghosth · « **Reply #29 on:** July 02, 2004, 10:03:41 AM »

I'd recomend a couple of things.

Go get a good driver cleaner, clean everything out. Reinstall cat 4.5's, & direct x.

Make sure your booting CLEAN!

No office, fast find, spyware, antiviris, etc.

Reboot before you start AH.

You may have to tweak that card a bit, I'd suggest the rage3d tweaker.

Its posted on the msg board here someplace.

Get PROactive. HT provides the software, the rest is up to us. If EVERYONE had the exact same problem,
then it would be his problem. Since some of us are obviously doing fine the burdens on you.

BTW I'm getting 38 fps in tower & 60's 2k up with an elcheapo ati 9000 pro 128mb card that was only 100$ 16 months ago.