Author Topic: Vets speak out about Kerry (Read 4376 times)

Martlet · « **Reply #165 on:** July 07, 2004, 08:43:02 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by GScholz
Nash, I know exactly how you feel.

I love this golden post by Pongo:

~~Which people would he be referring to?~~

Nash · « **Reply #166 on:** July 07, 2004, 08:47:17 PM »

Yeah... that is a good one.

"Iraq is a threat to America in no way, it's just plain rediklous!"... Remember that one? That guy got beat on so hard he's no longer around. Amazed the French are still here.

But uh yeah, appearently there's some ricin or whatever in a coupla antique shells we gotta be all concerned about now.

Martlet · « **Reply #167 on:** July 07, 2004, 08:47:25 PM »

Quote

That being said, the problem posed by Iraq to the international community is not about its oil capacities. What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs. Chirac, October 16, 2002

Quote

President Vladimir Putin said Friday that Russian intelligence agencies had received information that Iraq was planning terrorist attacks against American targets and warned U.S. intelligence. Putin

Those people?

Nash · « **Reply #168 on:** July 07, 2004, 08:49:41 PM »

Oh great.... Martlet.... laterz.

Sandman · « **Reply #169 on:** July 07, 2004, 08:50:46 PM »

LOL...

These people.

Martlet · « **Reply #170 on:** July 07, 2004, 08:53:54 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by GScholz
No Martlet, those people do not frequent this BBS much I think, and I would be surprised to learn that Eeagler has managed to insult them ... then again it is Eeagler.

Don't underestimate Eagler

Crumpp · « **Reply #171 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:09:06 PM »

Nash,

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Everything you've said that elevates this from "insignificant" to "significant" is complete speculation. You have to admit.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes it is speculation. BUT, It passes the reasonable man test.

All the counter-arguments are pure speculation as well. It's the same coin viewed from different sides. It does not make your view invalid or even wrong. It just makes it assumptions we cannot afford to take.

In this particular case:

It's kind of like climbing a mountain and not anticipating falling off. Sure you can you can successfully summit any mountain and not use a rope or protection. Probably do it mulitple times. However the one time you do fall the consequences are disasterous.

Prior to the Invasion of Iraq SEVERAL attempts at getting WMD into the US by AQ were foiled. They are actively seeking to kill thousands more innocent civilians. The invasion of Iraq has decreased that effort. What its also done is remove a wildcard with WMD and is moving the unknown disposition of those weapons towards a known factor. This is progressing slowly and jury is still out as to whether or not they will be found. Your opinion is on the other side of that issue and your entitled to it.

What is completely wrong is to characterize this country as criminal. Islamic extremist are criminal. They make no differientiation between soldier, civilian, muslim, jew, or christian. You are either with them or against them. We are not in this to control the worlds oil or to gain an Empire. The US takes action which we feel is in the best interest of the United States AND the world community. We simply want them to stop attempting to kill masses of innocents for some obscure political point.

Crumpp

Crumpp · « **Reply #172 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:10:10 PM »

QUOTE]lol, yeah... okay crumpp.[/QUOTE]

So where are you taking this Nash? You could have responded to the debate in many ways. Like "I disagree with that and hear is what I think is a better solution". Instead this is your response? Sounds like whimper of someone whose reason has fled and their argument evaporated.

Can you step out from under Gscholz skirt and stand on your own?

You don't have a more articulate respond but to bring it down his level?

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Saying "Prior to the Invasion of Iraq SEVERAL attempts at getting WMD into the US by AQ were foiled" is like saying "prior to Toyota's introduction of the Tacoma genetically altered strawberries hit the shelves of supermarkets."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No, in fact it answers the argument that the US has decreased it's security by going into Iraq and that WMD was some sort of "excuse". In fact, I have not thought about the foiled attempts since the invasion. Been focused on other things in my job. I was pleased to see that trend when I examined it! It's a response to your statement:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
When Bush got backed into a corner wrt to bogus WMD claims, he tried to bamboozle everyone with all sorts of alternative reasons for the invasion.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Face it Nash, you don't want to discuss the issues. You want to convert others to your opinion and you are willing to twist the facts to suit your world instead allowing those facts to define it. Otherwise you would have seen thru Gscholz's claims of criminal conduct and at least waited til the discussion was complete to pass judgment. Maybe asked some questions to clarify peoples point of view. Instead you attacked every time a question was asked. Not even a bungled attempt at answering the question just an irritated outburst because a question was asked.

Unfortunately your decision was made before the thread even started.

With that said. There is no point in continuing this.

Crumpp

Nash · « **Reply #173 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:15:35 PM »

This stuff gets so repetitive that it took a few seconds before I noticed that these last two posts were actually reposts of posts you made on this very page.

"Yes it is speculation. BUT, It passes the reasonable man test."

Yes it was speculation and no, it FAILED the reasonable man test.

Speculation as the basis of war. Wtg, nice one. Reasonable men beg to differ.

Crumpp · « **Reply #174 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:18:19 PM »

QUOTE]lol, yeah... okay crumpp.[/QUOTE]

So where are you taking this Nash? You could have responded to the debate in many ways. Like "I disagree with that and hear is what I think is a better solution". Instead this is your response? Sounds like whimper of someone whose reason has fled and their argument evaporated.

Can you step out from under Gscholz skirt and stand on your own?

You don't have a more articulate respond but to bring it down his level?

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Saying "Prior to the Invasion of Iraq SEVERAL attempts at getting WMD into the US by AQ were foiled" is like saying "prior to Toyota's introduction of the Tacoma genetically altered strawberries hit the shelves of supermarkets."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No, in fact it answers the argument that the US has decreased it's security by going into Iraq and that WMD was some sort of "excuse". In fact, I have not thought about the foiled attempts since the invasion. Been focused on other things in my job. I was pleased to see that trend when I examined it! It's a response to your statement:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
When Bush got backed into a corner wrt to bogus WMD claims, he tried to bamboozle everyone with all sorts of alternative reasons for the invasion.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Face it Nash, you don't want to discuss the issues. You want to convert others to your opinion and you are willing to twist the facts to suit your world instead allowing those facts to define it. Otherwise you would have seen thru Gscholz's claims of criminal conduct and at least waited til the discussion was complete to pass judgment. Maybe asked some questions to clarify peoples point of view. Instead you attacked every time a question was asked. Not even a bungled attempt at answering the question just an irritated outburst because a question was asked.

Unfortunately your decision was made before the thread even started.

With that said. There is no point in continuing this.

Crumpp

xrtoronto · « **Reply #175 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:28:04 PM »

INTERMISSION

Crumpp · « **Reply #176 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:28:09 PM »

What is completely wrong is to characterize this country as criminal. Islamic extremist are criminal. They make no differientiation between soldier, civilian, muslim, jew, or christian. You are either with them or against them. We are not in this to control the worlds oil or to gain an Empire. The US takes action which we feel is in the best interest of the United States AND the world community. We simply want them to stop attempting to kill masses of innocents for some obscure political point.

Crumpp

Nash · « **Reply #177 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:33:36 PM »

Look at your head in the mirror.

That is you.

Go outside and look at the ground.

That is your country.

Now to get the full effect, kneel down and bash your head against it. The stinging realization might be that you and it are two different things.

NUKE · « **Reply #178 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:37:53 PM »

hmmmm.... people's gettin a might crazy-like 'round here.

Crumpp · « **Reply #179 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:49:03 PM »

What is completely wrong is to characterize this country as criminal. Islamic extremist are criminal. They make no differientiation between soldier, civilian, muslim, jew, or christian. You are either with them or against them. We are not in this to control the worlds oil or to gain an Empire. The US takes action which we feel is in the best interest of the United States AND the world community. We simply want them to stop attempting to kill masses of innocents for some obscure political point.

Crumpp