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Offline Nash

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« Reply #135 on: July 07, 2004, 08:38:38 AM »
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Nash,

Euro-trash is a specific term for one individual NOT a gross generalization.  Please do not apply it where it does not belong.  

Crumpp


lol, yeah... okay crumpp.

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« Reply #136 on: July 07, 2004, 08:42:46 AM »
No don't forget it Crumpp.  It's like in the movie "Rocky III"  where Rocky, Apollo Creed and Paulie were watching Clubber Lane during his TV presentation, and Paulie said "Don't listen to that guy Rocky, he's a blowhard."

Then Apollo says yes, do listen to it, when this fight is over those idiots are gonna owe you an engraved apology.

He could back that up...





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« Reply #137 on: July 07, 2004, 09:17:28 AM »
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Sandman,

You're exactly right.  This isn't about Saddam, or his crimes of genocide or his duplicity or his lies or his funding of terroristic activities in Israel or his murderous sons and uncles or even about Iraqi oil and who controls it.

It is all about Bush and his administration.  Isn't it.


Exactly.

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Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03

"Absolutely."
• White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03

"This is about imminent threat."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03

"Well, of course he is.”
• White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the question “is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home?”, 1/26/03

"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
• President Bush, 10/2/02

"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined."
• President Bush, 9/26/02

"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02

"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02
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« Reply #138 on: July 07, 2004, 09:29:46 AM »
QUOTE]lol, yeah... okay crumpp.[/QUOTE]

So where are you taking this Nash?  You could have responded to the debate in many ways.  Like "I disagree with that and hear is what I think is a better solution".  Instead this is your response?  Sounds like whimper of someone whose reason has fled and their argument evaporated.

Can you step out from under Gscholz skirt and stand on your own?  

You don't have a more articulate respond but to bring it down his level?

 
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Saying "Prior to the Invasion of Iraq SEVERAL attempts at getting WMD into the US by AQ were foiled" is like saying "prior to Toyota's introduction of the Tacoma genetically altered strawberries hit the shelves of supermarkets."


No, in fact it answers the argument that the US has decreased it's security by going into Iraq and that WMD was some sort of "excuse".  In fact, I have not thought about the foiled attempts since the invasion.  Been focused on other things in my job.  I was pleased to see that trend when I examined it!  It's a response to your statement:

 
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When Bush got backed into a corner wrt to bogus WMD claims, he tried to bamboozle everyone with all sorts of alternative reasons for the invasion.


Face it Nash, you don't want to discuss the issues.  You want to convert others to your opinion and you are willing to twist the facts to suit your world instead allowing those facts to define it.  Otherwise you would have seen thru Gscholz's claims of criminal conduct and at least waited til the discussion was complete to pass judgment. Maybe asked some questions to clarify peoples point of view.  Instead you attacked every time a question was asked.   Not even a bungled attempt at answering the question just an irritated outburst because a question was asked.

Unfortunately your decision was made before the thread even started.
 
With that said.  There is no point in continuing this.

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« Reply #139 on: July 07, 2004, 12:06:37 PM »
wow.. this crump guy has been all over and seen all sorts of things..  

Keep bragging guy, of your life's adventures..

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« Reply #140 on: July 07, 2004, 12:51:32 PM »
Kind of a bummer being a virtual arm-chair strategist ain't it Dude.

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« Reply #141 on: July 07, 2004, 01:44:09 PM »
Wow!  Scholz...did you really mean to say that Saddam only killed people in battle and did not engage in genocide?  That's how it reads.

As to the matter of your raking me over the coals about Sudan...my memory is better than yours.  You DID say it, even though nothing had been previously mentioned about the Sudan massacres in that thread.  That statement came out of the clear blue.  As I recall, you were handing out insults quite liberally that day, along with opinions.

I can debate opinions quite amiably, and at length, but I try not to use personal slurs and insults unless they have been previously aimed at me.

By the way, I find the argument that the Kurdish civilians in Halabja were "accidentally" gassed by the Iraqis to be suspect at best.  The Kurds were longtime enemies of Saddam and some had been aiding the Iranians.  It is a bit simple-minded to take the Iraqi explanation at face value.

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« Reply #142 on: July 07, 2004, 02:02:40 PM »
The use of chemical weapons, whether in warfare or not, is a violation of international law.  It doesn't matter what Saddam's reasons were...the act itself is illegal.

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« Reply #143 on: July 07, 2004, 02:11:13 PM »
IIRC, the Chemical Weapons Convention did not go into force until 1997.
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« Reply #144 on: July 07, 2004, 02:36:21 PM »
The Kurdish victims of Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war numbered in the hundreds of thousands, most of them civilians.  That sounds like genocide to me...or at the very least "ethnic cleansing."

By the way...links are a bit of a crutch for debaters.  I could just as easily find other links that carry the opinions of government officials that are diametrically opposed to Pelletiere's.

Scholz is right...the combatants of WWI were appalled at the losses brought about by the use of chemical weapons and banned them in the 1920s.  Since that time, the U.S. has never deliberately used chemical agents to attempt to kill enemy soldiers or civilians.  To the best of my knowledge, Agent Orange is the only chemical used in large quantities on the battlefield by the U.S. in modern times, and it was NOT deliberately used against civilians, but as a means of clearing sections of jungle to deny concealment to the Vietcong.

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« Reply #145 on: July 07, 2004, 02:50:54 PM »
Liar

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« Reply #146 on: July 07, 2004, 02:53:08 PM »
Yep

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« Reply #147 on: July 07, 2004, 02:56:28 PM »
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Originally posted by GScholz
I meant the quotes of me or links to the thread where you claim I said that about you, Iraq and Sudan.

The USA had (perhaps still has) illegal chemical weapons in the 1980s. You violated the Geneva Convention too. You have no moral high ground ... especially on the use of WMD in war.


We aren't worried about the United States using chemical weapons against the United States.

If you're concerned that we might use them against Norway, get your army together and come on over to disarm us

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« Reply #148 on: July 07, 2004, 02:57:10 PM »
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And what did I lie about? (Be specific)


Estimates of the number of dead range up to 1.5 million.

not 200,000 and I really dont have the time to point out all of your lies.  

live with it

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« Reply #149 on: July 07, 2004, 02:57:54 PM »
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Originally posted by GScholz
Why did you edit your post?



because LIAR was a better term than BS