N1K2.. if its soooo terrible PROVE it!

[Wardog]

Well, went and checked my stats for this tour in me Typhoon against N1K2

Wardog has 20 kills and has been killed 4 times in the Typhoon IB against the N1K2.

And me Typhoon against F4U-C1

Wardog has 25 kills and has been killed 12 times in the Typhoon IB against the F4U-1C.

As most know i fight the fight, i dont play the alt monkey thing like Fishu and Ram, i actually pay to fight and not fly at 30k buring fuel then rtb to base.

So exactly, where is the problem with the N1K2 or F4U-C1 for that matter?

Adjust, Overcome, Adapt...

Please stop the whing and let HT get on with the code. I wana see me PT boat this year sometime..

For good measure..

Tour 9
Wardog has 236 kills and has been killed 95 times in the Typhoon IB.

Tour 10


 Wardog has 183 kills and has been killed 88 times in the Typhoon IB.
 
Started of tour 10 badly field defending, but think it will even itself out.


Dog out.........



[This message has been edited by Wardog (edited 11-25-2000).]

[hazed-]

I honestly dont know if the Niki or F4c are incorrectly modeled as ive never flown in one in RL.I think the problem i perceive is that the 20mm guns on the f4c are like lasers and are so easy to kill with it almost boring! the niki I have no problem with to be honest but now ive flown it less because everyone calls it a dweeb plane and so getting kills in it have less reward for me.
I think the 20mm on the 190 is a lot harder to hit with(only my perception) and doesnt seem to destroy planes so easily but i'll still fly it as its the aircraft i like the most. (+ most other LW planes)
This doesnt mean everyone else has to fly them   they pay to fly whatever they like.
i just wished there was more variety of opponent aircraft. Tonight i flew to 31 and saw 3 spits and 4 nikis and it was a little bit dull  


hazed

[AKDejaVu]

I'm wondering if this will still be something to argue about once HTC tweaks the dispersion model a tad bit.  It would be nice to see what 6 .50's could do when they are actually converging.

AKDejaVu

[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 11-26-2000).]

[AKSeaWulfe]

Tour 9:

AKSWulfe has 29 kills and has been killed 8 times in the fw190A-5 against
  the N1K2.

Tour 8:

Killed nor was killed by an N1K2 in the Fw-190A5

Tour 7:
AKSWulfe has 8 kills and has been killed 0 times in the fw190A-5 against
  the N1K2.

Tour 10:
AKSWulfe has 8 kills and has been killed 0 times in the P-47-D30 against
  the N1K2.

Tour 9:
AKSWulfe has 45 kills and has been killed 16 times against the N1K2.

Tour 10:
AKSWulfe has 10 kills and has been killed 4 times against the N1K2

Anyway, derive what you want from that.. don't care I just felt like throwing around some stats to feel like a big man like ya'll..... <BFG>
-SW

[gatt]

SKurj,
stats dont tell everything. They are misleading. I really wonder how people (who call other whiners) can throw stats on the table. Its amazing.
I usually have a good k/d against NIKIs but I consider them the deadliest fighter in the arena, much more than the F4U-1C (Torque apart).
A good arena is a balanced arena, good Flight Models are not enuff.

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GATT
4° Stormo Caccia - Knights
Macchi C.202's sting (1,9MByte film)

[juzz]

Ki-84-Ib will kill all N1K2-J whines dead.

[Fury]

From what I've read on this board, 9 out of 10 planes in the air are either Niks or CHogs....therefore, they must be overmodeled, cause EVERYONE is flying them  

Fury

[Mitsu]

Tour10:
Mitsu has 9 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.

Tour9:
Mitsu has 8 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.

Tour8:
Mitsu has 9 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.

Tour7:
Mitsu has 20 kills and has been killed 3 times in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.

Not too bad.

Tour9:
Mitsu has 22 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1C against the N1K2.

Uber vs Dweeb...
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Tour9:
Mitsu has 43 kills and has been killed 6 times in the N1K2 against the N1K2.

Dweeb vs Dweeb...

-Mitsu

[This message has been edited by Mitsu (edited 11-26-2000).]

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Wardog:
As most know i fight the fight, i dont play the alt monkey thing like Fishu and Ram

ROFLMAO!!!!

I dont know fishu. But for sure I dont play the "alt monkey thing" like you call it.

If you understand that go at 15K with a Fw190 is to be an alt monkey, that is.

 

LOL you seem to have a fixation with me, man. Take it easy, a cup of coffee will help.

 

[StSanta]

All these numbers....you gotta reconize where they are coming from.

Because the NIK is an easy pane to fly, lots of newbies will fly it - the only reason the numbers aren't higher is because something is odd with those UFO's.

I got a 32-6 record vs the N1K - they always seem to catch me low and slow in the 190A8.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[-lazs-]

Let me see if I got this straight..... Guys are complaining about the nik because it can enter a furball and get kills by turning and climbing a lot better than a P47 can?
lazs

[NUTTZ]

 

Originally posted by GrinBird:

I fly the Niki and p-47 exclusively..

You have chosen two very different planes to fly on on a regular basis Nuttz. Let me guess: You use P47 when attacking a field, you start heavy taking out ack and groundtargets and when you are light you end up vulching the guys taking off arent you?
You use Nikki when you defend your field against vulchers arent you?
This is reflected very well in the numbers you show us. Numbers like that tells nothing about the planes strenght, more about how the plane is used.

[/b]

I fly the p-47 on patrol, I doubt flying it exclusively i would have 100% oppertunity of vulching. But your reply answers the core of the "uber" debate. Use the planes strenghts, and exploit your enemies weakness. You CANNOT fly the same plane for all occassions, and expect to triumph 100% of the time.

NUTTZ

[Tuomio]

I took today off from field with a6m becouse there were many enemies IB close and lo.
F4U-C comes to HO, i immelman to hes 6 so im abt 500d. He starts getting speed adv. and im about to break.
Suddenly hog starts to turn heavily right so i go for wiping my arse with it..=)

I turned 360...And no still at 500...Turned 360 right after that..Still abt 400 and no closure..When i went to other 180 MY ZEKE STARTED TO STALL!!

I had very very hard time keeping it lead to f4u as he kept TURNING FOR CRISSAKE!!

Nearly when i was starting to go for ground f4u straightened..At 200d..Well i killed him then..

I rolled few times my eyeballs and tought..Was that the 5000 pounds rock or UFO?
I still dont know answer to that, because i didnt tape it since i was so amused..

Theres surely something wrong in yanks heavy plane section.

The 180 flip overs with f4u are absurd too. torque once did 3 of them in very short time for HO:ing me.

[GrinBird]

 

I fly the p-47 on patrol, I doubt flying it exclusively i would have 100% oppertunity of vulching. But your reply answers the core of the "uber" debate. Use the planes strenghts, and exploit your enemies weakness. You CANNOT fly the same plane for all occassions, and expect to triumph 100% of the time.

You get me wrong Nuttz I wasnt saying that using the planes that way was wrong I do it myself. Light plane for defending and heavy plane for attacking fields, I do the same thing nothing wrong with that. My point is that those roles are reflected in your stats.
For me its not the question if the N1K is über or not, its the question if the N1K is modelled wrong. In version 1.03 the N1K was a very good plane, by changing the flightmodel in version 1.04 it became completely different, and definitely seems to have some serious flaws in flightmodel. I really wish ppl would start discussing that instead of whining and flaming.

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GrinBird

[washedup]

 

Originally posted by SKurj:
SKurj has 13 kills and has been killed 7 times against the N1K2.
AKSKurj has 9 kills and has been killed 3 times against the N1K2.

Skurj,

I don't often get to fight nikis as most of them run when faced with a 1 v 1 fight.  My stats are 3 - 2 against nikis, however, when I'm in:

Niki 19 - 9
P51 14 - 7
Yak 12 - 7
C Hog 4 - 3

Stats reflect more what type of mission you are doing.  For me Niki is furball plane, P51 and Yak are for ranging 1 v 1 or wingman missions while F4 is for Jabo.  Interesting hmmm...

MHO:  Nikis are no more Uber than any other plane.  Just gotta know where to use them...