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« Reply #120 on: July 09, 2004, 10:08:11 PM »
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ok....

now why the low blow....


Because


now that is funny....christ your fighting a 3rd world country and having a tough time of it.


I dont like you   ;)

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« Reply #121 on: July 09, 2004, 10:31:20 PM »
So how about a nice Cup O' STFU!!

Do they still sell that in Europe?

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« Reply #122 on: July 09, 2004, 10:33:08 PM »
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Well, anyway, we will see in november.
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What is the implication?  Bush is Hitler??:rolleyes:

If the American People reelect him then we are headed down the road to Facism?!?!?


WTF...........

Is there something in the water in Europe?  Did the genepool get thinned that bad 60 years ago?

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« Reply #123 on: July 09, 2004, 11:32:06 PM »
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Aha... so you still belive, that chinese soldiers drive horses and fight with sabers, dont you ?

You didnt provide any single fact and you repeat again same BS....




typical


A single formation of B-52's bombing the Yangtze River dams would break the backbone of China.  

But, I agree, USA is where I was born, and the best damn country in the world.

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« Reply #124 on: July 10, 2004, 12:07:56 AM »
Yup beetle 'Britain' is a small isalnd, a small island that once 'owned' 25% of the world.
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« Reply #125 on: July 10, 2004, 12:19:03 AM »
America is my birthplace, and I feel blessed to have been born here.

 As a child of about 12, I wondered why I was so lucky to be born here while others had been born into nations at war, in extreme poverty or oppression. I still feel almost guilty for having the luck of having simply having  been born into a nation such as ours.

I am very proud of my country. I believe we are a great nation and a peaceful nation.

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« Reply #126 on: July 10, 2004, 12:19:59 AM »
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Yup beetle 'Britain' is a small isalnd, a small island that once 'owned' 25% of the world.


Britain is one of the greatest nations the earth has ever seen. Britain has had more influence on the modern world than any other nation.

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« Reply #127 on: July 10, 2004, 12:25:42 AM »
It's hokey, but its true -- USA offers opportunity like few other nations in history, and its culture wants to do the right thing.

1) There's never been an aristocracy, and even most of the wealthy consider themselves middle class. With education (not always as available as should be), work, and good fortune anyone can succeed. Some make it big time, but far more important are the average folks who move up steadily. My paternal great grandfather was an Irish wheelwright, my grandfather was executive in charge of food service for Eastern Airlines, my father a computer systems analyst. Another graeat grandfather was a coal miner, and my maternal grandfather was a depression era subsistance farmer. My mom was a nurse, and I'm a professional. No upper class to look down on me, no one to spite me because my ancestors were from a certain group. Nobody gets respect because of who they were born to -- we value who they are. As a country, we seem to think that most problems have a solution, and while we sometimes grab an easy answer we at least try to do something. We're not perfect by any means, and I'm often embarassed by my countrymen -- but I'm glad I was born where I was.

2) "realpolitik" -- as I understand it, tempering the "right" thing with compromise to get a "good" thing done -- has never caught on here. IN the Imperialist era, when US "aquired" possessions as "protectorates", we expressly planned to give freedom and self government to those possessions. Although I'm a little ashamed at how we defined "rebels" in the 1900-1920 period, we had explicit timelines and programs in place before WW2 to give freedom to the phillipines by the 40s; unlike the european powers whose concerns after the war lead to political and military fights to keep their possessions.  Freedom and justice motivate us to altruistic acts -- like intervention in wars that have less than obvious impact on our country. We went to Somalia to stabilize and feed a country, because it seemed like the right thing to do. In fact, values play such a role in our culture that even when politicians are crass and manipulating they have to pay lip service to justice. That's why politician's "moral failings" (hwever you chose to define them) play such a substantial role here that europeans often dont see what the big deal is. Yes, we make mistakes, and like an impetuous teenager we may react before thinking everything thru. We are often more sure of ourselves than we should be, and we may not listen to afvice that well.

But, we're there when needed. Even when people are brutal or ungrateful, we're there. As for "third world countries" that we "can't handle" -- that's only because we want to do what's right. If we wanted to be fascist, no htird world country on earth could last a month. Iraq looks troubled because we limit ourselves -- if we chose to behave like Saddam or Idi Amin or Assad even King Hussein, Iraq would have been "pacified" long ago. Saddam used chemical weapons for YEARS, incontrovertibly, adn the UN ignored him. (It got so bad that the inspectors, when asked to evaluate the possiblity of chem weapons use in the 80's refused to produce another report -- they said the facts are known, and the next question is what to do about the facts.) The free world did nothing, ignoring human rights abuses that resulted in the deaths of thousands. The world ignores slavery in Sudan. The world ignores a lot of evil.

So why is so much attention and anger directed to the US? We try to do something where we can. We are reviled for going to Iraq. We DID SOMETHING about a man who did much evil. Should we have "contained" him? SHould we have "contained" Hitler in europe, leaving the french, belgians, austrians, poles, czechs, et al. to be liquidated gradually? Those living under the Nazis would not have appreciated that, and in any case it was RIGHT to fight for the freedom of others. We certainly could have isolated Hitler in europe, adn it would have saved American lives without materially harming us. OK, continental europe would have all fallen under the Iron Curtain, but europeans like us to be isolationist anyway.




Economics are not everything, but opportunity IS valuable. Freedom is great, and the US has arguably done more to export it than any country in history. WE're not always right, we may be on average historicaly and culturally ignorant -- but its still a great place. The world has been a better place because the USA existed.
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« Reply #128 on: July 10, 2004, 12:28:44 AM »
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China invading the US is ridiculous ... just as ridiculous as the US invading China.


I don't think MacArthur thought invading China so ridiculous. Never know what the future holds.
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« Reply #129 on: July 10, 2004, 12:30:01 AM »
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Naso, good post.
Patriotism here is less these days than in the past.  It's just that the world gets to see it more on TV and the Intardnet.  So I don't think you should worry about any extreme changes.  If anything, people are more and more skeptical of the government, and are better informed.

Also, for a lot of us, the patriotic feeling is not for the government, but for the people and culture.  We solve problems together and help each other and "stick up" for each other when bad things happen.  This would happen even without the government.  It's like being part of the world's biggest and toughest family (or gang).



ding ding ding!!!

 I'd be willing to bet that at any given time during the day/month/year 1/2 the country hates our government. But close to 100% are patriotic about our great country.  Heck, everybody I voted for the past 2 elections are in office and I still think our government sucks badly, but it's still the best that's ever been.  And our country is and hopefully will be the shining light of hope for millions of people around the world.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

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« Reply #130 on: July 10, 2004, 01:01:54 AM »
Dear non-American:
Hehehe, love your country, wherever you are from.  Post it here on the boards how much you love your country.  Tell the BBS readers why you think it's the best.

If you love your country, think it's the best place to live in the world, great!  I promise not to disagree.



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now that is funny....christ your fighting a 3rd world country and having a tough time of it.


BTW Slo,  where are we having trouble?
  Admit it, when we fought like we meant business we kicked the crap out of the third(fourth?) largest standing army in the world in record time.
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« Reply #131 on: July 10, 2004, 01:10:11 AM »
Naso and others.
    It is not that we are missing a people like connective tissue, we never wanted one.That is why the founding fathers gave us an idea based on Judeo/Christian principles.The [force] for americans is not symbolism associated with state or nation, that is why you dont hear father/mother land much. Although it is being attacked what holds us together is the idea,1.GOD 2.constitution/bill of rights 3. liberty.America believes in liberty, Europe believes in equality.We have a strong patriotism not to the father/mother land,but to the constitution/bill of rights and liberty.Each of us are a living part of the constitution/bill of rights. We are not loyal to a father/mother land,king or the name of a country,but to liberty and each other.Have we done wrong ,you bet your life we have and we have at times dearly paid for it.It wasnt patriotism that led Europe to give the world nazism, fascism, communism and imperialism.Rather it was the inability to identify evil and take action against it.Some of Europe still have that problem hence the hate and bash America crowd. Therefore Europe over time has been able to kill millions upon millions of it's own citizens even in the last hundred years.  George Washington wrote if America allows itself to be entangled in the affairs of Europe, America over time will cease to exist.  40% to maybe 45% of America has embraced European values.  We now are in a bloodless civil war for the hearts and minds of America.  Unfortunately I think we will lose.  That is sad because next time Europe cries out for help there will be no America to help save them.

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« Reply #132 on: July 10, 2004, 01:19:07 AM »
So....  as an atheist, I can't be a proud american?

The USA is about a lot more then your god.
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« Reply #133 on: July 10, 2004, 01:21:48 AM »
I love how a lot of liberal and conservative American members of this BB have both expressed their love and dedication to our country, regardless of politics. It demostrates, on a small scale, how united we really are as a nation.

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« Reply #134 on: July 10, 2004, 01:27:29 AM »
SIMARIL
   I read your post after I posted mine,I have to say thank you .I am very impressed,and it was a pleasure to read .