Author Topic: The USA (Read 8223 times)

Steve · « **Reply #255 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:06:31 AM »

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don't hate America, nor do I criticise America much. I do however criticize some Americans on this board fairly often, and on this board some Americans deny their own historical mistakes while blaming Europe for theirs.

Only some Americans fail to recognize our mistakes. Most Americans acknowledge the flaws of our ancestors, mistakes in our past. As an example, our westward expansion and the handling of Indians and our confiscation of Mexican territory via war. There are some interesting facts regarding our war with Mexico that I bet most people even in the U.S. are unaware of. Mexico was compicit in this.

NUKE · « **Reply #256 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:23:26 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Oh please demaw1 ... Stop blaming Europe for your failings. You're supposedly a grown up nation now, so start acting like it and take responsibility for your actions, past and present. Europe has never backstabbed America. Just like any responsible parent we grow concerned when our "children" go off on their own and insists on making the same mistakes we did in the past.

The USA is a nation, Europe is not a nation. If you want to lump your nation in under the title "Europe" and attempt to represent Europe , then I will assume you regard all of the European nations equally.

A lot of the European nations, only recently freed from the Iron Curtain, have very different opinons of the USA.

NUKE · « **Reply #257 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:33:13 AM »

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Europe has never backstabbed America. Just like any responsible parent we grow concerned when our "children" go off on their own and insists on making the same mistakes we did in the past. [/B]

When you say this, you seem to be implying that "Europe" is one entity, which it is not... not by a long shot.

NUKE · « **Reply #258 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:44:20 AM »

Hey Gscholz, do France and Germany represent Europe and Europe's views regarding America and it's war in Iraq?

Maybe when Europe is united, it can be run by France and Germany. Wouldn't that be grand?

I'm sure all nations in Europe will be equals

NUKE · « **Reply #259 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:52:39 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Which state is running the US now? You seem to be very approving of the United States of America, but very disapproving of a United States of Europe. Hypocrisy.

We are one country, one nation. Only Texas was it's own nation before. Not even remotely the same as Europe trying to make one nation.

But hey, I dont really care if you want to be controlled by France and Germany.

beet1e · « **Reply #260 on:** July 11, 2004, 03:15:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
To quote a brit pretending to be a frenchman pretending to talk to a brit pretending to be King Arthur followed by a man with 2 coconuts pretending to be a horse:

"Now go away before I taunt you a second time!"

ROFL!!! "I want... a shrubbery! - not too expensive..."

NUKE · « **Reply #261 on:** July 11, 2004, 03:21:54 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
ROFL!!! "I want... a shrubbery! - not too expensive..."

Hey Beetle

NUKE · « **Reply #262 on:** July 11, 2004, 03:24:32 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
The United States of America was founded by only 13 states. The last five states to join did so in the 20th century. Benefits of a classical education.

So , how many US states used to be seperate countries? Europe has countries and cultures hundreds and often thousands of years old...... kind of a different animal imo.

beet1e · « **Reply #263 on:** July 11, 2004, 03:26:24 AM »

Hey Nuke!

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Originally posted by NUKE
But hey, I dont really care if you want to be controlled by France and Germany.

If you're talking to GScholz, you're talking to the wrong guy when you said that. Norway is not part of the European Onion. And they're doing very nicely without it.

NUKE · « **Reply #264 on:** July 11, 2004, 03:30:25 AM »

maybe, but he sure seems to relate his opinions in a European scope.

NUKE · « **Reply #265 on:** July 11, 2004, 03:36:39 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Hey Nuke! If you're talking to GScholz, you're talking to the wrong guy when you said that. Norway is not part of the European Onion. And they're doing very nicely without it.

Beetle, the EU, in my opinion, will be so powerful that non EU member states in Europe could not afford to exist outside of it. I see the writing on the wall and I don't like it.

beet1e · « **Reply #266 on:** July 11, 2004, 04:18:57 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Beetle, the EU, in my opinion, will be so powerful that non EU member states in Europe could not afford to exist outside of it. I see the writing on the wall and I don't like it.

GS beat me to it. Norway is far better off outside the EU. They have large sources of oil/gas and a huge fishing industry. If they were to join the EU, not only would they be net payers (subsidising the poorer countries like Latvia/Lithuania) but their fishing waters could be plundered by countries like Spain, the way ours were.

Speaking of fishing, the European Onion - in its infinite wisdom of pretending that all 25 Onion states are the same - recently awarded millions of euros to the fishing industries of the newly subscribed Onion members. But these included the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Hungary - landlocked countries which have no coastline and therefore no fishing industry.

This is an example of EU waste which Norway has been able to sidestep by not joining.

Arlo · « **Reply #267 on:** July 11, 2004, 04:19:56 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
The point is the USA is a mix of a lot of people and cultures ... just like Europe.

Benefits of Google.

Damn that Google! Mixin' people and cultures and stuff!

beet1e · « **Reply #268 on:** July 11, 2004, 06:18:00 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
I'm outside of the EU and want in. Beetle is inside and want out. The irony.

LOL! No, I'm all for free trade, abolition of border controls etc., but I want none of this Euro Federalism.

Simaril · « **Reply #269 on:** July 11, 2004, 07:21:42 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Find one European country that did worse in the last 100 years or so, except Germany and the Soviet block.

Ummm....

Isn't that like saying "find me someone taller than me, excluding the people who are taller than me"?

Besides, outside of germany and the soviet block (which are, what, 60% of europe), who had the influence and power to do worse?

See, if you set up the parameters right you can make any statement true!!!