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Offline Dago

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« Reply #300 on: July 12, 2004, 10:29:16 AM »
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So when the US yesterday, through ambassador John Doyle Ong, actually responded to the anti-American sentiments in Norway, there seemed almost a momentary stunned silence - "Oh, right, we're not alone" - quickly followed by reactions ranging from hurt to angry. What Doyle Ong pointed out, and what should have been pointed out long ago, was that Norway's hesitancy to support our most important ally may damage the relationship between our countries.


    "When Norway's security has been threatened, the US has been there... not just three times out of four, but every time," Ong said. He likened the situation to two old friends, with one of them asking for help and, "for one reason or another," not getting it from the other. When that happens, Ong said, "the relationship changes."


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« Reply #301 on: July 12, 2004, 11:15:02 AM »
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USA's ambassador to Norway now goes as far as to suggest that Norway cannot expect help from the US in a crisis, unless we support the war against Iraq.[/i]


Worst piece of diplomacy I've ever seen. It was not Norway who showed her true colors that day. We never put a price on our friendship.


I'd argue your government already weighed the value of our friendship and put the price on it. Your country refused to stand by ours in a time of war. All the Ambassador said was we might decline to stand by you if you were attacked.
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« Reply #302 on: July 12, 2004, 12:15:20 PM »
While I am not interested in a pissing match, basically it seems the USA has in the past stood by Norway everytime it needed or asked for it.  Norway in response is now saying "we will choose when and if we feel like supporting you when you ask".

USA response, "we will remember that attitude next time you look to us".  Seems reasonable.

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« Reply #303 on: July 12, 2004, 12:24:38 PM »
NORWAY HAS TROOPS IN IRAQ! you ignorant. We support our allies on the battlefield ... even if they don't deserve it.


Send them home. Who cares.
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« Reply #304 on: July 12, 2004, 12:28:00 PM »
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Our special forces were THE FIRST in Afghanistan.


Norway had SF on the ground in Afghanistan in 1977? I had no idea.

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We sent F-16s too, and they dropped bombs in anger for the first time in Norwegian history


I've no idea how long Norway has existed but if they never fired a shot in anger until the 21st century how'd they defeat the nazis without any help like you claimed earlier?

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 ... FOR YOU.


Bad motive. You should have your troops in Afghanistan and Iraq in order to kill as many Radical Islamic r-a-g-h-e-a-d-s as you can, not for the USA, but for the future of western civilization.  Because it is the destruction of western civilization that they seek.

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NORWAY HAS TROOPS IN IRAQ! you ignorant. We support our allies on the battlefield ... even if they don't deserve it.

What is the current troop strenght? Is it more than 1% of the coalition? What objectives were taken by the Noweigan army during the war? Which cities are now being patrolled by your army? Educate me.

Don't misunderstand, if your countrymen are participating in the war against radical islam then I am happy to have you on our side.  But this is a war, like it or not. There is no middle ground when dealing with these pieces of human debris. We either wipe them out or they us.
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« Reply #305 on: July 12, 2004, 12:48:07 PM »
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I'm sorry, but we are NOT fighting a religious war.



With respect, you are 100% wrong here.  Since our enemy is fighting a religious war, so are we.
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« Reply #306 on: July 12, 2004, 12:52:29 PM »
Steve alludes to the fact that one cannot ignore the motivation of the enemy .... especially if one chooses to demotivate them.
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« Reply #307 on: July 12, 2004, 01:34:41 PM »
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ALL our remaining standing forces are in Afghanistan.


ALERT! Norway is undefended. ALERT!

Good thing Sweeden and Finland got your back :D
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« Reply #308 on: July 12, 2004, 01:50:46 PM »
This is turning into one of the funniest threads in a while.

eddie, send me an email,

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« Reply #309 on: July 12, 2004, 01:59:16 PM »
I have 6 of them in the old address book, dunno which ones you still have. I just sent a single message to all 6, guess I'll see a few bounce.
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« Reply #310 on: July 12, 2004, 02:00:39 PM »
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All our STANDING forces. We got about 5,000 currently serving their obligatory military service (draftees) in training, and about 300,000 in reserve.

So all 5,000 of the STANDING ones are in Afghanistan (other than the engineers in Iraq)?

I guess Sweeden and Finland can relax, there are 300,000 SITTING soldiers left.
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« Reply #311 on: July 12, 2004, 02:39:25 PM »
We have our combat engineers in Iraq. ALL our remaining standing forces are in Afghanistan.


Send them home.
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« Reply #312 on: July 12, 2004, 03:59:47 PM »
I'm a proud dutchman what our little country achieved in history is very big.
We also have a much longer history.

where a kingdom something the USA never will be and buy
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USA is nice and represents all countrys of the world the only real american is an indian u see :)

its good to be proud as long not ignorant.
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« Reply #313 on: July 12, 2004, 07:13:03 PM »
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We sent F-16s too, and they dropped bombs in anger for the first time in Norwegian history



Yeah, Let me tell you about the Norwegian F16's. In one ambush I was in,  we had a Norwegian F16 overhead providing Air support.

Our Combat Controller requested Air support since the bad guys we were recieving Machinegun fire and RPG rockets from both sides of the road.  

First the Norwegian Pilot tells us he cannot see anything and is not allowed to go below 15,000 feet to try and ID the targets.  

We NEVER had a pilot tell us this as they would immediately request permission to go below the ceiling when the "Troops in Contact" call came over the radio net.

AWACS immediately got on the net and Ordered the pilot to get as close as he needed to see the targets.  

The Norwegian pilot flew over once,  called out he was recieving ground fire, and immediately left.  The Combat Controller never saw him nor did anyone view any tracer heading up into the sky.  

AWACS came over the radio and immediately removed the Norwegian F16 offstation.   Told him to land and disarm.  A German pilot requested to support us, came in, made two gun runs and dropped all of his ordinace on multiple targets.  We used the tracer's from our .50 cals to mark where we wanted his bombs.  Every one was on time and on target.  The German returned to base, rearmed and showed up overhead 40 minutes later to drop more if we needed it.  This was in addition to the schedualed Air Cover.

Yeah, TAKE YOUR FORCES AND GO HOME!

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« Reply #314 on: July 12, 2004, 07:20:22 PM »
You guys can't be for real.


Crummp sounds for real. So bring them home Norway, have a parade for them and all go pee in the snow or what ever it is you do there.









btw Crummp, and thanks for all do and have done for us.
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