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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2004, 12:09:00 PM »
mt... you didn't respond.   If you want kerry and the ambulance chaser and their national health care system you will have to limit awards.   edwards will be for limiting the very thing he made his living doing.

If you limit awards then health care becomes affordable and there is no need for a government program... we all know how effiecent government programs are.

My solution is to educate the populace on what the real costs involved in healthcare are.   Maybe then "our peers" won't be so eager to raise our healtcare costs with huge awards.

no system in the world awards such high amounts for 'suffering".

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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2004, 12:15:27 PM »
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Libs here is your man - LOL



'Heart wrenching plea'

But some of Edwards' critics say that as a trial lawyer, he relied more on his verbal skills than the latest scientific evidence to persuade juries that the doctors' mistakes had been instrumental in causing the cerebral palsy in the infants.

Edwards' trial summaries "routinely went beyond a recitation of his case to a heart-wrenching plea to jurors to listen to the unspoken voices of injured children," according to a comprehensive analysis of Edwards' legal career by The Boston Globe in 2003.

The Globe cited an example of Edwards' oratorical skills from a medical malpractice trial in 1985. Edwards had alleged that a doctor and a hospital had been responsible for the cerebral palsy afflicting then-five-year-old Jennifer Campbell.

'I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her (Jennifer), I feel her presence,' Edwards told the jury according to court records. "[Jennifer's] inside me and she's talking to you ... And this is what she says to you. She says, 'I don't ask for your pity. What I ask for is your strength. And I don't ask for your sympathy, but I do ask for your courage.'"

Edwards' emotional plea worked. Jennifer Campbell's family won a record jury verdict of $6.5 million against the hospital where the girl was born -- a judgment reduced later to $2.75 million on appeal. Edwards also settled with Jennifer's obstetrician for $1.5 million." <- which eddie boy got 33% of for his acting

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200401%5CPOL20040120a.html

Wonder if he bit his bottom lip ... what a quack
they do make a good pair though ...


My Dad pays over a 150 thousand a year in MedMal Insurance because of ****bags like this. A doctor who's never been sued, who's in a profession that's utterly essential to everyone who goes to him... A doctor who does 1/3 of his work free of charge as it is, because without it, the people in need would die and die painfully. Guys like him are being pushed into early retirement every year.

Amazing how far a little posturing goes... I pray to god that this piece of cow dung is in need of emergency brain surgery one day soon.

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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2004, 12:22:37 PM »
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mt... you didn't respond.   If you want kerry and the ambulance chaser and their national health care system you will have to limit awards.   edwards will be for limiting the very thing he made his living doing.

If you limit awards then health care becomes affordable and there is no need for a government program... we all know how effiecent government programs are.

My solution is to educate the populace on what the real costs involved in healthcare are.   Maybe then "our peers" won't be so eager to raise our healtcare costs with huge awards.

no system in the world awards such high amounts for 'suffering".

lazs


I said OK. Got no problem limiting awards for certain issues.

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2004, 12:23:21 PM »
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My Dad pays over a 150 thousand a year in MedMal Insurance because of ****bags like this. A doctor who's never been sued, who's in a profession that's utterly essential to everyone who goes to him... A doctor who does 1/3 of his work free of charge as it is, because without it, the people in need would die and die painfully. Guys like him are being pushed into early retirement every year.

Amazing how far a little posturing goes... I pray to god that this piece of cow dung is in need of emergency brain surgery one day soon.


And somehow the insurance companies still manage to turn over huge profits. Of course, everyone always blames the lawyers as if they were the cause.
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2004, 12:26:55 PM »
sandie... you miss the point entirely... Of course the insurance companies are gonna make a profit.   they are not a charitable or non profit organization...

The more law suits the edwards of the country "win" the higher the insurance company raises the rates and the higher the rates the higher the healthcare costs.  Is it really that hard to understand?

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2004, 12:31:08 PM »
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And somehow the insurance companies still manage to turn over huge profits. Of course, everyone always blames the lawyers as if they were the cause.


True, many doctors make mistakes out of neglicence, but many, many more get sued for reasons no human can control, and lose their livelihoods as a result.

I blame lawyers because it takes one to generate a multi-million dollar settlement whether or not there is any real fault on the part of the doctor.

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2004, 12:33:10 PM »
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And somehow the insurance companies still manage to turn over huge profits. Of course, everyone always blames the lawyers as if they were the cause.


Not the cause, but the enablers.

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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2004, 12:33:55 PM »
Let's see...


1. The doctor makes a bad decision and permanently injures/disables a patient.
2. The patient hires an attorney.
3. The attorney presents the case.
4. The jury decides the doctor is at fault.
5. The doctor's insurance company pays the penalty.
6. The insurance company raises the doctor's insurance rates.
7. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Obviously, it's the lawyers that are to blame.
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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2004, 12:41:20 PM »
ok sandie but I fail to see how that is the insurance companies fault.

Seems to me it is a combination of sleazy law practice and an uneducated jury of our peers problem.

If say.. 60 minutes ran a series on how much lawsuits cost us all in healthcare and the newspapers and cnn all run investigations into it at the same time and people actually became aware of the real problem...

I bet hamburger flippers wouldn't get 200 million dollar settlements... They don't in any other country but here yet.... you liberals seem to believe that every socialist health care system is superior.

it is difficult for me to understand your thinking without assigning an agenda to it.

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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2004, 12:42:40 PM »
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Let's see...


1. The doctor makes a bad decision and permanently injures/disables a patient.
2. The patient hires an attorney.
3. The attorney presents the case.
4. The jury decides the doctor is at fault.
5. The doctor's insurance company pays the penalty.
6. The insurance company raises the doctor's insurance rates.
7. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Obviously, it's the lawyers that are to blame.


Sandman, my point is this:

Yes, doctors are and should be liable. However, more often than not, they are sued when they made no identifiable mistake.

For example, a certain percentage of all surgeries lead to complications due to infection. Even if the surgery was a total success and the sutures were executed flawlessly, infections sometimes take hold. You can blame the patient's immune system moreso than the MD.

However, this is a very common reason to sue, and to sue for a lot. It tarnishes the MD's rep and costs him big as his ins. rates rise.

We aren't talking about doctors leaving scalpels inside patient's abdominal cavities, we're talking side-effects that are nobody's fault.

It takes lawyers to turn these natural statistics into rediculous settlements, and the sad fact is that everyone, but the lawyer, ends up losing. He takes 20-40 percent of the settlement, and moves on. The client, generally ignorant to the methods and mechanisms, is just a vehicle for a transaction between the attorney and the insurance company.

Rinse, lather, repeat....

Just don't try and tell me that we're not a bit litigation-happy here in the US.

One of my dad's partner's once said to me: 'It's sometimes hard to imagine that many of the people that walk into this office see me as nothing but a walking, talking lottery ticket.'
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« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2004, 12:44:03 PM »
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Originally posted by Sandman
Let's see...


1. The doctor makes a bad decision and permanently injures/disables a patient.
2. The patient hires an attorney.
3. The attorney presents the case.
4. The jury decides the doctor is at fault.
5. The doctor's insurance company pays the penalty.
6. The insurance company raises the doctor's insurance rates.
7. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Obviously, it's the lawyers that are to blame.


who caused cerebral palsy? how exactly?

mr snakeoil man used the ignorance and emotions of the jury to win his awards ie become a very rich man. this has nothing to do with legit malpractice. did you bother to read the article? research eddies tactics? talk about hearing voices in your leaders head ....
as lazs pointed out edwards types ARE the problem with health care system - now he and lurch are gonna FIX it - LOL
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« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2004, 12:45:31 PM »
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Seems to me it is a combination of sleazy law practice and an uneducated jury of our peers problem.


Oh no... It's a combination of sleazy insurance practices, sleazy health providers (pharmaceuticals, HMOs, you name it), sleazy law practices, uneducated jurors, and a general "gotta win the lottery" mentality of the populace.

I'm not saying that lawyers aren't part of the problem. They are... I just think it's a lot bigger than that.
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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2004, 12:45:41 PM »
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tell me how the hospital harmed the girl please?
He's a snake oil salesman ... like I said, he and lurch go well together, they are both full off hot air


"1985 lawsuit on behalf of Jennifer Campbell, born brain-damaged after being deprived of oxygen during labor."

I guess I shouldn't find it suprising you didn't read the article you posted.

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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2004, 12:48:24 PM »
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I'm not saying that lawyers aren't part of the problem. They are... I just think it's a lot bigger than that.


Very true.

That being said. It would be nice if the VP candidate wasn't a rather outstanding representative of those who are 'part of the problem'.

Then again, I'd be hard pressed to name a politician who isn't.

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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2004, 12:50:02 PM »
Lawyers are scum.   Ever hear a joke about one?  I have.


Seriously, don't excuse the morons on the jury in these cases.   Absurd tort judgements remain.......It's stupid.

Imagine the idiot who spilled hot coffee on her thighs suing because the coffee was hot.

This would be like sitting on a ice block and suing because it was cold.....

Yet, find the right 12 mental midgets, and you have an outrageous settlement................

Lawyers fill a void - unfortunately one made lucrative by the juries...............

Did I mention lawyers are scum?
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