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Offline Masherbrum

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« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2004, 06:21:57 PM »
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So now you are Buddhist?  Make up your mind.  

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« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2004, 08:15:28 PM »
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You do realize the difference between Evolution and Big Bang right? ....right?


Forgive me for lumping you all into the Darwinist's camp.  But it was Mr. Darwin that first brought the Biblical view into question and all Darwinist's also suscribe to the Big Bang theory and vice versa. n'est pas?

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« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2004, 08:35:52 PM »
Mr Storch,

The reason people who subscribe to evolution usually subscribe to the Big Bang theory is that both have evidence to support them and survive peer review and mathematical models.

Creationism has none of those working for it, only a heartfelt 'feeling' that it must be true.

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« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2004, 08:38:48 PM »
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Mr Storch,

The reason people who subscribe to evolution usually subscribe to the Big Bang theory is that both have evidence to support them and survive peer review and mathematical models.

Creationism has none of those working for it, only a heartfelt 'feeling' that it must be true.

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In a nutshell:  You either believe in the scriptures, or you don't.

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« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2004, 08:57:39 PM »
Ok, then in a nutshell, I don't because it takes such a huge leap of mindless faith and contradicts evidence, archeaology, and scientific method.  To accept the scriptures as literal truth requires you to essentially turn off the part of your brain that protects you from scams, fraud, liars, and urban legends.

Is that clear enough?  

Like I mentioned early in the thread, my preference is to not try and interfere with someone's religion because I would want them to return the same favor, but as is typical in this type of conversation, people with strong religious views are unlikely to respect those types of requests because they (to use a phrase from countless wars) 'have god on their side' and to them,  the concept of 'sanctimonious' is curious at best, misguided at worst.

That said, I see no value in trying to change your mind because the only way I know how to do that is by being rational, and my life up till now has taught me that rationality and religion are not compatible.

So enjoy your religion, just leave me out of it because I'm unwilling to turn off the mental function that seperates humanity from the rest of the animals: the abillity to reason and use logic.  

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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2004, 09:09:24 PM »
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Forgive me for lumping you all into the Darwinist's camp.  But it was Mr. Darwin that first brought the Biblical view into question


You're thinking of Copernicus.
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« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2004, 09:42:07 PM »
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So now you are Buddhist?  Make up your mind.  

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LoL, I was going for a touch of Douglass Adams..ism.

Despite what I said before, just about 100% of the time, I'm glad that I'm not my Khakis.
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« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2004, 09:57:45 PM »
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Ok, then in a nutshell, I don't because it takes such a huge leap of mindless faith and contradicts evidence, archeaology, and scientific method.  To accept the scriptures as literal truth requires you to essentially turn off the part of your brain that protects you from scams, fraud, liars, and urban legends.

Is that clear enough?  
 



Just curious here Chairboy, what about the ark that was found, stuck on the side of a mountian, what about the biblical scrolls, stone houses, shelters, (and a bunch of other stuff ) archeaologist have dug up in Isreal ( and surrounding areas). What about the evidence that proves Jesus existed, what about the doctors and scientist that have proven a woman can bare child with out a man( although it is a minomily deal it is still a proven possibility -typo-)and to question who god is? hmm? he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, 1 year is a thousand days, and a thousand years is a day.........we only have the ability of knowledge, that was given to us, by whom did we receive such capability? The only evloving that has taken place is in the last 2000 or so years, more so in the last 200 years........

Everyone has their own belief, wether it be in religion or not......... but I was curious as to where you found the proven facts that religion/belief  contradicts evidence, archeaology, and scientific method.  I would like to view these findings..........no offense toward you here

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« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2004, 10:47:34 PM »
Is Aces High a bargain or what?  $14.95 a month AND the meaning of life?  Such a deal.  

But seriously, folks ...

What about evolution?  

Did all life evolve from a single thread or are there multi threads?

What about spontaneous evolution, i.e., many forms of life evolving spontaneously from separate threads just as you'd expect any boiling sphere of soup to spawn multiple bubbles from all over the hospitable surface instead of one line of alike bubbles from one straw?
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« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2004, 10:50:50 PM »
"s Aces High a bargain or what? $14.95 a month AND the meaning of life? Such a deal. "


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« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2004, 11:35:31 PM »
Praise Brian

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« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2004, 02:08:53 AM »
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Mr Storch,

The reason people who subscribe to evolution usually subscribe to the Big Bang theory is that both have evidence to support them and survive peer review and mathematical models.

Creationism has none of those working for it, only a heartfelt 'feeling' that it must be true.

Regards,


I'm always willing to rethink my values though with the passing of the years one does becoming more convinced that one's world view is the correct opinion.  I listen to reasoned argument.  What in science indicates to a scintilla of evidence supporting either hypothesis because neither is really a theory.

Take your time.

on another note, how is the recovery coming along?  A good friend has a twentytwo year old son weighing 460lbs and I mentioned the proceedure you discribed.  Next time he's over I may dig up that thread to show him.

regards chairboy

Chaser it goes beyond that.

Archaeologists have indeed uncovered Sodom and Gomorrah.  Under the dead sea, fire, brimstone and all.  It was hilarious to me that these "Biblical Archaeologists" were trying to explain where the "obvious remains of a burning lava like material" as a freak of nature type meteor shower that only hit that rather small geographic area.  Secular pinheadism at it's finest.  I'm sure the Lord himself could have come up and performed any manner of miracle and they could have "intelligently" explained it away.

Not really Myelo the big gun was Darwin.  Though copernicus, gallileo, francis abbott, cassini and many others which I can't recall now brought up stuff that calls the Biblical view into question they did so inadvertantly.  Mr. Darwin OTOH went after God scientifically (pfffft) as Nietzsche did philosphically.
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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2004, 02:11:38 AM »
Storch,

My recovery is going great, thanks!  Down over 20lbs so far (real weight, not water weight) and full of energy.

Can you give some references to the mention of finding Soddom & Gomorrah?  I'd like to read up on it before I respond.

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« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2004, 02:46:39 AM »
i dont belive in beliving in things i dont belive in unless i belive in them, then its ok to belive in it. i truly belive im gonna die some day so does that make me a beliver?
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« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2004, 08:37:07 AM »
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Storch,

My recovery is going great, thanks!  Down over 20lbs so far (real weight, not water weight) and full of energy.

Can you give some references to the mention of finding Soddom & Gomorrah?  I'd like to read up on it before I respond.

Regards,


Good deal, I'm glad to hear that it worked for you and your wife.

I have two links one is from a secular source and it was the segment I saw which was hilarious to me coming from my world view.  The other is from a Biblical archaeology site.  In any event the find dates back to 1973 but the secular media doesn't generally run these stories.  Asbestos underware is uncomfortable and misery loves company, as it were.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1497476.stm

http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/sodom.html

Google sodom and ignore the gay band sites (hehe) how appropriate.

There is a plethora of info on the subject.

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