Author Topic: Federal Marriage Amendment (Read 1659 times)

SOB · « **Reply #60 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:35:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
So if a man is sick enough to love children and he was born this way and did "choose it" Should we let pedophelia become a way of life.....why trample on their right to love.....what about bestiality?????? were do you stop?

Oh man, there it is! Yay! Now say it, you know you want to . . . First word starts with an "s" and so does the second...

BTW...What do you suppose the difference between an underage human or a goat, and an adult human is?

Sandman · « **Reply #61 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:42:32 AM »

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Silat what about non-traditionalist forcing their views on me. That seems to be what's happening here.

Don't listen to him. I don't want to marry you.

Really... I don't.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #62 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:43:25 AM »

Repeat after Karl Rove and me, kids. It's political. It's an election ploy. It has nothing to do with the ACLU or "activist" judges.

Any marriage amendment is doomed to fail in the Senate (Frisk admitted as much two weeks ago). We can debate the constitutional merits of it all day, but why not debate the political merits? Why now? Why the amazing urgency prior to the election? Why the new emphasis out of left field after months of nothing? Consider context and circumstance.

Discuss.

-- Todd/Leviathn

SOB · « **Reply #63 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:45:08 AM »

So, Bush wants to get married to Cheney after they get re-elected?!

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #64 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:46:28 AM »

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Originally posted by SOB
So, Bush wants to get married to Cheney after they get re-elected?!

Bush is a pretty good pitcher from what I've seen of him at opening games, but Cheney seems like a dominant guy. So... who pitches and who catches?

-- Todd/Leviathn

Sandman · « **Reply #65 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:47:03 AM »

It's still baseball.

SOB · « **Reply #66 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:52:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Bush is a pretty good pitcher from what I've seen of him at opening games, but Cheney seems like a dominant guy. So... who pitches and who catches?

-- Todd/Leviathn

Well, I've heard it said that Cheney is the man behind the man, so I'm guessing he'd be the pitcher.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #67 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:56:44 AM »

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Originally posted by SOB
Oh man, there it is! Yay! Now say it, you know you want to . . . First word starts with an "s" and so does the second...

BTW...What do you suppose the difference between an underage human or a goat, and an adult human is?

With respects to the goat.....it depends on how drunk the FDB is and if he thinks he's in the sheep pin.

This subject is pretty personal to me so I think I will just bow out gracfully and leave it at that......not to mention there is a hijack taking place.

SOB · « **Reply #68 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:57:54 AM »

FDBs don't need to be drunk to nail a goat, just randy.

Silat · « **Reply #69 on:** July 13, 2004, 04:37:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Silat what about non-traditionalist forcing their views on me. That seems to be what's happening here. If its christian it must be bad right?

I just had de ja vu really bad right now

Well guns Im not looking for an amendment forcing Kook christians to stop believing or having the same rights that I have.
But they are trying to stop others from having the same rights they have. Pure and simple that is the issue. Not your religious beliefs which mean absolutely nothing when it comes to equal rights for all.

Thrawn · « **Reply #70 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:46:57 AM »

"He has the same right as me.....he can marry a woman but chooses not to. "

I'm so ****ing sick of this one.

"He has the same right as me.....he can marry any woman within hist race."

People like you lead to segragation and worse.

SirLoin · « **Reply #71 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:55:19 AM »

Hey man..You only live once...Don't let other people tell you how you are to form relationships or be happy...It's your freedom that gets trampled if you do.

crowMAW · « **Reply #72 on:** July 13, 2004, 07:12:39 AM »

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THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS EVERYONE ELSE.

Do you have the right to marry the person you love that you have chosen as a partner? Do they have that same right?

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The Majority of this country does not wish same sexes to be able to marry. No one is trampling their rights they choose to be different. If the Majority does not feel something should be allowed in a democracy it does not.....

And 40+ years ago the majority said that blacks could not marry whites...are you saying that was not discrimination?

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
So if a man is sick enough to love children and he was born this way and did "choose it" Should we let pedophelia become a way of life.....why trample on their right to love.....what about bestiality?????? were do you stop?

Now you are reaching...

The difference is consent. A child cannot give informed consent. And an animal cannot give consent at all.

A person's rights end when it enfringes upon another's who does not consent to the enfringement.

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were does this end. Give them civil unions and all the same benies associated with it and be done with it.

If it gives them the same rights as married people then, I'm all for it. But from what I understand of the issues, partnered gays want the same benefits that married couples enjoy, but not every state has civil unions as an option. Nor does every state recognize the civil union laws of other states. Plus, the Fed government does not recognize civil unions...Social Security benefits can only be passed to survivors if they were married.

I tell you what...support a Constitutional amendment that states that marriage is between a man and a woman, and civil unions are between same sex; and both marriage and civil union shall have the same legal rights.

Martlet · « **Reply #73 on:** July 13, 2004, 07:48:07 AM »

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Traditionalists is way to nice a term for those who want their beliefs forced on others.
And the "Christian" marriage must be in real trouble if they are concerned that someone they dont know may affect their marriage.
Hetero's , Homo's and bi's have been part of mankinds makeup since the beginning. So if you happen to be a believer then it must be your Gods plan.

No, "traditionalists" was a term I used to describe the people who would like to maintain the long standing and accepted definition of marriage. They aren't trying to force their beliefs on others at all. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

I haven't stated my opinion on same sex marriage. I just asserted that I can understand both sides of the argument and can appreciate their reasoning, whether or not I agree. You obviously can't.