Kerry Declines Security Briefings?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Not to mention straight out of Michael Moore's brainwashing propaganda movie.

...so you saw it?

[Pongo]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm saying your assertion that Bush ignored terrorism because his family is friends with the huge bin laden family to be pretty dumb. Not to mention straight out of Michael Moore's brainwashing propaganda movie.

Well he did ignore it. Which you dont seem to mind. The question of why apperently is a bigger issue to you.

You dont deny that Bush had very involved relationions with the Bin Ladin clan. To the toon of many many many millions .A fact that was not widely known befor Moore announced it. You apperently feel that it should not be known. As it might brainwash people..
Do you even hear yourself.

So casting arround the word "brainwashing" might be dangerous for you..some could stick to you if you know what I mean.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Sandman
...so you saw it?

Of course, why wouldn't I?

Pongo,

The business ties between bin laden family business and  bush are well known.  And so what? Are you indicting the whole huge bin laden family in the crimes of one man, a man who has been disowned by the family?  The patriach has dozens of children. There are something like 10 wives who pretty much run seperate households from what I know...

Thats actually one of the most disturbing and hateful asopects of Moore's little propaganda brainwashing movie - how he went full tilt at generally blaming the whole huge bin laden family...

It was quite disguisting.. Especially the racist undertones against people in arab dress used throughout these scenes...
And frankly Pongo, whatever your political inclinations if you dont see F911 as a blatant piece of brainwashing propaganda then there is something wrong there or you are willfully decieving yourself... Its nothing but a modern day version of Thriumph of the Will  or the Eternal Jew - very very slanted one sided pieces intended for effect and intened to make cheap and easy conclusions for you...

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Pongo
Well he did ignore it. Which you dont seem to mind. The question of why apperently is a bigger issue to you.

You dont deny that Bush had very involved relationions with the Bin Ladin clan. To the toon of many many many millions .A fact that was not widely known befor Moore announced it. You apperently feel that it should not be known. As it might brainwash people..
Do you even hear yourself.

So casting arround the word "brainwashing" might be dangerous for you..some could stick to you if you know what I mean.

If Bush saw it coming for 9 months, Clinton saw it coming for 8 years.

WHy did'nt Clinton deal with Bin Laden? Was the Cole bombing not enough? How about the embassies?

Oh wait, you can't answer that. Moore did'nt cover it in his film. Sorry to make you almost think for yourself.

[Pongo]

So it is now some horrible crime to point out that these men are all saudis and like to wear saudi cloths. You compare this documentry to the most famous Nazi propoganda because of that. This from the man who loves to say"boosh is hilter" What whould sigmund say to that I wonder?

It is some huge crime to point out the financial history of the bin laudins and the Bushes. It was widely known according to you. Your lieing and you know it. It was almost unknown. Period.  How many people read "House of Bush, House of Saud". I am sure you didnt.

Your post is just the kind of lies that conservatives have been passing off as debate for decades in the US.  When a dirty secret comes to light "it doesnt matter" or "it was known"  Befor that it is denied. Or even denied after the fact. Or it it is admited it is denied at a later date.

Moores crime. For wich you portray him as a naxi propogandist is to point out that Bush has tight dealings with the family of the man responsible for 9/11.
Not a little link. A huge link. And not in the distant past. During and since his election.


Ohh the poor Saudis..everyone who is against them is racist!
but grrr those evil Iraqis..everyone who thinks they should be left alone unless they are a threat to others is a coward!
You are so brain washed and dishones GH that is stinks like hell.

The Saudis bombed the WTC. They have done so twice now. Do you understand that?
All this gibberish about moore being prejiduced.. THE SAUDIS BOMBED YOUR CITY AND KILLED THOUSANDS.
Dont you care?

muckmore. Ya it was pretty hard to pursue al quida into Saudi Arabia for some reason through out the 1990...strange isnt it.

[GRUNHERZ]

If you dont recognize F911 is a clear case of propaganda and instead view it as a reliable source of information to base your thinking on then I think there is no more point to discussing this with you.

Too bad Pongo, you're a great guy in person!

[Hajo]

This response just to voice my humble opinion.

(Might get ya a Starbucks somewhere) but I doubt it.

For the last two presidential elections, it has been my opinion that neither of the two finalists for the Presidency have really impressed me.  None really stand out as take charge gentlemen.
Gore, Bush, kerry etc.

No...I'm not a Perot fan....and not a member of either party. actually am registered as an Independant.  Will Vote for whom I feel is best suited for the task at hand.  Dem, Republican doesn't really matter to me.  Unfortunately voters tie themselves to one party or another...doesn't matter who represents them...but because generally what their parents did, or someone who influenced their Political opinions....Professor at College etc.

The last Pres. that I felt good voting for was Ronald Reagan.

Ya...I know he made mistakes....but what struck me about him was that he had a plan....he communicated that plan before election...executed that plan with the backing of the American
populace....and actually achieved goals.  Now...I'm not here to praise RRegan....but just to impart that he actually got the Congess and the people in his court.  He led.....he got everyone behind him.  Leaders do that.

He stood out as a man that had a plan, and a plan of action and how he would achieve these goals.

I'd vote for the same type of individual again, be it Republican or Democrat.  When you hear regularly the slurs against our two main opponents coming from opposite sides as we do now.
And have no clearly defined plan on anything coming from either side...and apparent lack of a plan under the current Administration.  Makes me wish we had a take charge type of guy who didn't change his mind every week to influence voters...or a gentleman that definately can't express a plan because he doesn't have one that I can see (current administration)  Makes me yearn for a true leader, with a plan that can be expressed clearly, and the plan didn't get changed because of special interest groups. Corporations and the ilk.  Just stuck to his guns so to speak and made the country function.  In short...a Leader.

When ya find one.....wake me up willya!  I'll vote

[Pongo]

Where did I say its not propoganda?
I have always maintained it was propoganda.
propoganda doenst equal lie.  It is propoganda becuase of its intent not its content.


The whole message from the white house for the last 3 years has been propoganda. Public functions where protest is illegal. Shock and Awe. Bring it on. No cerimonys for retunring dead and wounded.  A bronze star for Pte Lynche.
Its all propoganda. I didnt hear you complaineing about it.

[oboe]

On the campaign trail, Sen. John Kerry insists that he would do a better job fighting the war on terror than President Bush. But the Massachusetts Democrat admitted Thursday night that he hasn't been able to find the time to accept the Bush administration's offer to give him an intelligence briefing.

"Well, I haven't been briefed yet," he told CNN's "Larry King Live." "They have offered to brief me; I just haven't had time."

Did you guys sleepwalk through last week?   Of what value would a Bush administration intelligence briefing be?

[Sandman]

Hehe... good point.

[GtoRA2]

Did you guys sleepwalk through last week? Of what value would a Bush administration intelligence briefing be?

Now that is funny!!

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Pongo
Where did I say its not propoganda?
I have always maintained it was propoganda.
propoganda doenst equal lie.  It is propoganda becuase of its intent not its content.


The whole message from the white house for the last 3 years has been propoganda. Public functions where protest is illegal. Shock and Awe. Bring it on. No cerimonys for retunring dead and wounded.  A bronze star for Pte Lynche.
Its all propoganda. I didnt hear you complaineing about it.

So why put so much trust in what Moore says? You have almost been been parroting his statements.

[Pongo]

I am not parroting his statments. I read House of Bush House of Saud long befor I saw the movie F911.

Why put so much faith in what bush says(although he doensnt anc cant deny most of the stuff)

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Pongo
I am not parroting his statments. I read House of Bush House of Saud long befor I saw the movie F911.

And that book is particularly reliable because? Isnt it banned in Britan beacause of their strict libel laws? Or was it just Booosh and the carlye group that got it banned there?

[Pongo]

You think a book being banned in some way invalidates it? Do you love america or not?  Would you like to march in the street and gather up all the books written critical of Bush and have a nice book burning?