Author Topic: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book (Read 127233 times)

Grimm · « **Reply #645 on:** July 15, 2004, 02:59:50 PM »

Trell,
Your reasoning seems a bit flawed to me. You keep saying if your the victum of a crime or any wrong doing, its your fault for not protecting yourself and the person that did the wrong is inocent.

If a Young woman wears a pretty dress and someone assaults her its her fault for wearing a pretty dress??? Thats the same logic.

I do agree that folks should try to take measures to protect themselves. In part that is what many in the flight sim community are doing right now in this forum. Still, Wrong is wrong in my eyes.

Voss did wrong for several things, Lying to people about TAS, Cheating folks out of time and money, Impresonating a military vet, claiming HT stole Ideas from him, etc....

I have a feeling you believe he is Scum like the rest of us, but are getting hung up on a small point about proof of Conning folks out of money.

I think I will go on the word of those that claim they did, Voss's word isnt worth believing. Its good enough for me, since this is not a court of law, just a disscussion in the community.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #646 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:01:36 PM »

Voss has been turned pretty much into everyones *****, him getting a little stipper costume is prolly soon to follow.

Picture that one Mos!!:D

Horn · « **Reply #647 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:02:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Trell
Lol this from the mob huh?
Still looking for the smoking gun, One piece of proof that he is anything more than a lier.

were you one of the ones that lost money sixpence?

From someone who considers himself cynical and a "researcher before a buyer" you sure haven't gotten off the dime on this one. Point your browser to google, goto google groups and type in Voss, TAS and Paul Hinds into the search engine.

You will get tons of information to answer your questions. You will also see what the hell we're talking about.

h

Sikboy · « **Reply #648 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:08:01 PM »

Wow, I'm amazed at the staying power of this thread lol.

-Sik

Trell · « **Reply #649 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:15:43 PM »

Thanks grim that is one of the best posts so far.
Now with the women that is not really the same problem, But i will work with it.

Ok a women is raped, and she does not report it, what is to stop him from doing it again, I do not mean that she should folow him around for the next 7 years looking for what he is calling himself like the people of the compunty have been doing, I am talking about a police report, File charges, take him to cord, and save the world from a rapist,

No one has done that with voss. But with out doing that it is allmost like like condoning it.

I am not for scam artist, I am for the filing charges against them if they did somehting wrong, and if it is to much of a bother to do that, then to forget about them.

how can i put this, If a scammer took money from me, and i got as worked up as some of u in the compunity has, I would have done sonething about it.

So much of what i have read here is hearsay, secondhand discussions, somehting they heard from a friend.
You are right I am getting hung up about the proof of theft, becasue with out proof of theft, this is just a card castle.

Do

hitech · « **Reply #650 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:15:50 PM »

Posted BY MetaTron.

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He gave my three businesses enough of a tax break for me to put another fifty-seven people to work. When profits went up again I hired another twenty-three people. If this trend continues another one-hundred people will have jobs over the next four years.

Any questions why this thread hasn't been locked?

HiTech

Edbert · « **Reply #651 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:17:42 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Posted BY MetaTron.

Any questions why this thread hasn't been locked?

HiTech

Nope, we understand completely.

PS. Happy Birthday Dale!

Trell · « **Reply #652 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:18:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Horn
From someone who considers himself cynical and a "researcher before a buyer" you sure haven't gotten off the dime on this one. Point your browser to google, goto google groups and type in Voss, TAS and Paul Hinds into the search engine.

You will get tons of information to answer your questions. You will also see what the hell we're talking about.

h

horn nothing i could find on google showed any charges filed, no police report filed, so judgment against voss, or even any type of paper proof of how much money or how many people he is accused from stealing from.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #653 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:18:31 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Posted BY MetaTron.

Any questions why this thread hasn't been locked?

HiTech

Nope. Never was a doubt why HT. U da man.

Westy · « **Reply #654 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:19:05 PM »

OMG. Proof a skunk can't get rid of it's stripe

http://216.91.192.19/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123794&highlight=profits

Trell · « **Reply #655 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:20:03 PM »

LOL, well i am glad it is still open.

But it is time for be to get back to work, will check back latter

Citabria · « **Reply #656 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:26:51 PM »

lol and he is at it again right now!!!

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Originally posted by MetaVOSS
He gave my three businesses enough of a tax break for me to put another fifty-seven people to work. When profits went up again I hired another twenty-three people. If this trend continues another one-hundred people will have jobs over the next four years.

storch · « **Reply #657 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:27:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Trell
I have never lived in a fictional world I live as a cynic I don’t believe anyone but close friends

The person who best scammed me was a very close friend and the friendship went back to just after highschool for me. He slowly fleeced me out of a consdierable amount of money over five year's time. He was able to do so with clever lies and because I refused to question his integrity but rather questioned his decisions with regard to business. I was stupid and I paid the price. Since then I have a new rule no business with friends or family. It keeps things friendlier.

VOR · « **Reply #658 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:28:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy
Just to reenforce what Jackal1 is saying I'll tell about my one bad personal experience from a deal online but it involves a different, but just as scummy!, conman.

Several people, including myself, were ripped off by a conman back when I was playing AW in 1997-98. I was naive and I trusted this guy Ken Strohm (aka KenJR) who at the time was a community leader and real all around well-liked guy. He'd just formed a PC building business partnership with the lead trainer for AW and was to be the supplier of PC's for the AW 1998 convention. IMO, if people close to Kesmai and the AW Convention group themselves were doing business with him then I figured why not me? When he would post systems on the nntp newsgroup to inquires by people as to where to buy a 'puter he would post systems that sounded great. He promised "great" deals for his AW buds too. It sounded perfect!

I did some checking by emailing with several people about him and recieved nothing alerting back so I felt safe and bought a PC from him.

To make a long story short the PC I got was was NOT what was ordered and was clearly inferior. I eventually found out he didn't build itt but had the local PC sweat shop in town (Florida) make it. I called and emailed him to discuss the problems but he would not answer my emails and his phone (turned out to be a cellphone) stopped working. So after a few weeks went by I called his business partner, a handicapped veteran, and after talking with him (he had no invoice of a PC ever sold to me even though I had one with thier letter head on it) I found out where my PC originated from. And that sadly he could not honor any warranty on it but would help me any other way he could. I also found out that his partnership with Strohm had terminated in the past week because he found out Strohm had been defrauding him too. He also screwed over the 98 AW con people also and several other minor people and businesses. So it was a pretty widespread thing.

So what to do? I couldn't get a refund. I couldn't negotiate or deal with him to upgrade the PC to include the right perpherals that should have been in there. Call the police? Sue him?
Nope. All of that would have cost more than the $1900 I'd spent for a substandard PC. Instead I, as I imagine many scammed by Voss did, get my pound of flesh by bringing his name up every now and then & ostracising him. Alerting anyone who shows an interest in buying something from him that he'll rip them off. KenJR is still out there in the WWII flightsim community afaik. In FA I think. But over the past 6 years I know I cost him far more business than he ever made off of me. And that serves as my justice.

I think I remember this guy! Didn't he own a B-17, his brother own an F4U, and he was often pitching his PCs in the AW arenas? I recall him mentioning that he sold alot of em at airshows cause he would demonstrate them with AW3 running on them. Talked about getting 90+ FPS (which was pretty cool back then). If it's the same guy I think it is. Pretty sure.

Westy · « **Reply #659 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:33:59 PM »

That's him Vor. I rememberl him telling me all about the B-17 and his brother flying an F4U when we talked on the phone (when I ordered the PC)

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