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Offline Furball

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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2004, 03:16:56 AM »
i have been having much more fun in WWIIOL lately than AH, if any of you get it im usually on allied, handle McCudden.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2004, 03:35:32 AM »
I've tried every online flightsim I've come across.

I REALLY tried, but being used to AH I couldn't find WWIIOL's airwar satisfying.

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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2004, 05:21:12 AM »
That game could never match AH....how about AH2? Havent had the hardware to try that yet.

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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2004, 08:30:20 AM »
The more I fly WW2OL, the more I appreciate it's strengths over AH2.  The fact that you're only fighting aircraft from the same time frame(109E's vs. Hurri I's & Spit I's, etc) gives it a realistic flavor that only the AH special events can duplicate.

The sensation of speed is much, much better than AH2, especially when at low at....probably because the terrain and foliage is so much more realistic than AH2.

I absolutely love the DM of WW2OL. When your engine gets hit, it can slowly or quickly deteriorate and start knocking and overheating before it actually gives up the ghost.

Likewise, when you as the pilot gets hit, it can affect you in multiple ways. Sometimes you get hit in the arms or legs, and you lose the ability to push on the rudder bars, or move the stick completely. Or, you may be blinded temporarily.

The visual damage cues when you hit a plane as the shooter, is really cool. Pieces fly off, wings snap off, engines and fuel tanks explode.....it has AH2 beat in the "cool" factor by a mile.

The limited availability of aircraft is a good thing, because it makes you think twice about how much risk you want to take blindly taking on those four 109's in your Hurricane. Sometime, discretion is the better part of valor.

The lack of a direct six view in a correct way to do the six view. You can and will be bounced from behind if you're not very careful about your SA. But, that can work to your advantage when you're out hunting.

The FM is not perfect, however. Just as in AH2, the bombers are able to do manuevers that are questionable at best. I saw an HE-111(which doesn't even exist in AH yet!) last night escape attack by going into a vertical dive and diving to the deck while a Bf-110 covered his escape.

On the whole, however, the air combat has AH2 beat in terms of realism and historical fun. It may not have the "furball" fun of AH, but it is not trying to provide that.

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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2004, 08:36:25 AM »
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The fact that you're only fighting aircraft from the same time frame(109E's vs. Hurri I's & Spit I's, etc) gives it a realistic flavor that only the AH special events can duplicate.


Speaking of Which, The CAP event re-starts tomorrow at 3:00 Eastern, and goes where WWIIOL Can not...

The Pacific! Join us for the Battle of the Coral Sea.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123062

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2004, 08:42:50 AM »
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FB/AEP Beats umm all...

JDW Scot and I tore umm on Greater green last night.

3 51s bounced Scot and I in our G14s, 3cm of Rheinmetal sent them straight to Hel. :p

Nothing compares to it. The next map loaded and we were dogfighting over Anapa on the Crimea map. Bounced by p38s, p51s and I believe a la la or a yak (we flew him into the ground).

5 minutes later all the bad guys are dead to our G6s and we land with bullets wholes riddled through out our planes and oil all over the wind screen.

Here's a large image of us bouncing a couple of yak 1s in our F4s.... Horrido!!!

Linked because of size...

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/334_1088761067_rooster1.jpg

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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2004, 10:14:39 PM »
Yep, IMO there's more to a good flight sim than having the absolute best physics or most complex damage model.

You see, IL-2 may be the best in that regards, but what's it all really mean when you can't actually DO anything with it beyond 8vs8 dogfights?
Sure, there are single player missions, but  it's not the same as when all those tanks on the ground and planes in the air are real people.

The other half of a successful flight sim is creating a realistic environment to use your planes in.
This means historical plane match ups, historical restrictions on the planes (such as attrition rates), and a flowing battlefield to bomb or protect. All the better when the battlefield below is made up of real players duking it out.

Personally, that's why I think Ace's High is better than IL-2, but it's also why I think WW2OL is better than Ace's High.
There's nothing else out there like WW2OL's battlefield. It creates such a purpose to your flights, you actually feel like you've accomplished something beyond simply gaining a few more personal points on your scorecard.

IMO the good of WW2OL far outweighs the few idiosyncrasies with it's model.
It's really quite a good FM/DM when you put it in perspective with everything else out on the market.
IL-2 is undoubtedly better, and Ace's High has advantages but also disadvantages compared to WW2OL, but WW2OL easily beats Fighter Ace, Warbirds, and Combat Flight Simulator.

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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2004, 10:15:41 PM »
Ok, well thank you, now go on back to WW2OL :aok
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2004, 01:38:24 AM »
the 109s straffing ground targets has to go and the tree bombers have to go. Their needs to be more allie airfields cause the axis have no enemies in the air. Its all bombing and straffing at will. Kinda like AH vulching, your realism is out the door.

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2004, 01:55:23 AM »
Interesting review.

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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2004, 11:27:34 AM »
There is nothing unrealistic at all about tactical bombers operating at low altitude to find and strike targets.

And in real life, if you had total air superiority, your fighters would be used to strafe ground targets too.
P-51's were regularly turned loose to strafe ground targets after they were done escorting their bombers.

109's rarely strafe ground targets in WW2OL because once you've blown your altitude and speed you are a sitting duck for the superior turning allied planes that may come along.
Only newbies strafe ground targets with regularity, and they die a lot in the process (if not to the AAA, then to enemy fighters pouncing them).

As in real life, experienced fighter pilots will only engage in strafing if they have overwhelming air superiority so they don't have to worry about getting bounced.

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« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2004, 11:34:17 AM »
I can't possibly imagine how can one compare the FM of WW2OL with IL2, much less with AH2. I'm no fanboi of any of these sims, but I have eyes.

I tried simple boom and zoom tactics in WW2OL only to find a bogey doing a hard 180 and start gaining on me.

Sorry, that did it for me.

Inmersion can be good at times, but the FM plain sucks.

My .02 € anyway.

Daniel

edit: The 110-rotocopter was quite fun though. I couldn't control it, but it was a hell of a ride.

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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2004, 12:12:19 PM »
banana how can you say that when the 109 FM in WW2OL is complete fantasy and nothing close to a 109? When the DM doesn't include stress, gear, or flap damage?

I got a colleague at work to try it, I told him the truth: "WW2OL teamplay is what makes the game, the combined air ground war with a squad, other than that the graphics are lagging (vs current fps), the air FM/DM is porked, the game performance is mediocre (vs your hardware), CRS's code leaves a lot to be desired, BUT the team fun factor gets you passed these issues". He's in and without fantastical expectations generated from fanboi hype.

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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2004, 12:18:07 PM »
Nothing like watching a Blen or Havoc strafe then do a loop dee loop and come back on top of you to strafe again. I prefer to call WW2online barnstorming Blens.
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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2004, 12:36:23 PM »
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There is nothing unrealistic at all about tactical bombers operating at low altitude to find and strike targets.

And in real life, if you had total air superiority, your fighters would be used to strafe ground targets too.
P-51's were regularly turned loose to strafe ground targets after they were done escorting their bombers.

109's rarely strafe ground targets in WW2OL because once you've blown your altitude and speed you are a sitting duck for the superior turning allied planes that may come along.
Only newbies strafe ground targets with regularity, and they die a lot in the process (if not to the AAA, then to enemy fighters pouncing them).

As in real life, experienced fighter pilots will only engage in strafing if they have overwhelming air superiority so they don't have to worry about getting bounced.


You can stop with the fanboy rants and excuses. HE-111's boming at tree level is very unrealistic. It's all about gaming the game. I'm already a subscriber of WW2OL so there no need to justify your reasons historic stretches. You're not going to change peoples opinions on this board.