Author Topic: Is there a statute of limitations on treason? (Read 1084 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2004, 11:09:50 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
just let socialized medicine finish off what they started.

lazs

Nah, chances are much better that he'll get a better quality of healthcare in Japan than in the US.

The WHO ranks Japan with the 10th best healthcare system in the world and the US 37th.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2004, 11:12:36 AM »

Just shoot the old sonabich.. Or batter yet frame him as a US spy and send him back home to Dear leader Kim Jong Il and his gulags...

anonymous · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2004, 12:05:31 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Just shoot the old sonabich.. Or batter yet frame him as a US spy and send him back home to Dear leader Kim Jong Il and his gulags...

shooting for desertion in time of war. death possible for treason but usually debrief is more common sense move if traitor is worth debriefing. by the book he should go to brig but past examples make me think they wont put him in brig. tough call. he bailed on his brothers in arms and to not punish is to insult every guy who did his duty at the cost of something important to him. but you let rosario ames go free after a couple of years and put this guy in jail for the rest of his life? glad it isnt my call to make.

Stringer · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2004, 12:35:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Nah, chances are much better that he'll get a better quality of healthcare in Japan than in the US.

The WHO ranks Japan with the 10th best healthcare system in the world and the US 37th.

The WHO are getting back together?? ALRIIIGGHHTT!!!

AKIron · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2004, 12:54:32 PM »

The guy is guilty of desertion but not treason, technically at least imo. However, I don't think there is a statute of limitations on either.

Thrawn · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2004, 01:27:18 PM »

Hmmm.

From the US Constitution.

Article. III.

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Section. 3.
Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Of course, I've heard some people argue that merely criticising the US President is giving aid and comfort to the US's enemies.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2004, 01:46:17 PM »

adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort

Thrawn · « **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2004, 01:56:40 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
adhering to their Enemies,

I don't see what duct tape has to do with it, and a man's sex life shouldn't be anyone else's business.

anonymous · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2004, 03:35:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Hmmm.

From the US Constitution.

Article. III.

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Section. 3.
Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Of course, I've heard some people argue that merely criticising the US President is giving aid and comfort to the US's enemies.

it isnt but it sould not be condones. when bullets are being launched you back the cic hes got more pressing matters. in fairness the actions of some elected republicans was reprehensible during kosovo for same reason. even if bills reasons for the actions were wrong the cause was right and people were in harms way. stfu and finish the fight. the longer the fight lasts the more people who get killed.

Thrawn · « **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2004, 03:56:01 PM »

I conceed the point. I missed the "adhering to their Enemies," part of the text.

Luckily funked was there to point out what a moron I am.

Rolex · « **Reply #25 on:** July 19, 2004, 06:17:58 PM »

Explanations for Dummies:

There is no statute of limitations for desertion.

Jenkins was declared a deserter after being absent from duty for more than 30 days and is technically still in the U.S. Army.

Desertion and treason are two different words with two different meanings. Notice that the word 'treason' has only been used by O'Club Dummies? Treason can only occur during a time of war and the U.S. was never in a declared state of war against North Korea.

The punishment for those found guilty of desertion can vary, depending on the case venue, from simple forfeiture of pay and a dishonorable discharge with a suspended prison sentence, to incarceration and dishonorable discharge.

The Jenkins situation is now more about diplomatic maneuvering than prosecutorial maneuvering.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #26 on:** July 19, 2004, 06:35:39 PM »

What Rolex said.

I've seen it many times in my 9 years of service.....

It ranges anywere from a 70 year old man that deserted 50 years ago and was dropped off by his family cause they cant care for him.....

to 40 year old guys that deserted....have new lives familys jobs that are just tired of running....or get caught.

I had to brig chase once for a 39 year old private for a couple of months. These guys usually dont do time they plead guilty and are discharged.

It may be a little different during a time of war were you actually desert to the enemy's side. This guys so old they will probably leave him alone

anonymous · « **Reply #27 on:** July 19, 2004, 06:41:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
What Rolex said.

I've seen it many times in my 9 years of service.....

It ranges anywere from a 70 year old man that deserted 50 years ago and was dropped off by his family cause they cant care for him.....

to 40 year old guys that deserted....have new lives familys jobs that are just tired of running....or get caught.

I had to brig chase once for a 39 year old private for a couple of months. These guys usually dont do time they plead guilty and are discharged.

It may be a little different during a time of war were you actually desert to the enemy's side. This guys so old they will probably leave him alone

that must have been some suckwad duty to have. by the way latest reports put your boy at over fifty.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #28 on:** July 19, 2004, 06:46:35 PM »

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Originally posted by anonymous
that must have been some suckwad duty to have. by the way latest reports put your boy at over fifty.

Once you become an NCO in the Marines they automatically sign you up for brig chaser class (at least it seemed that way to me)

when I had to deal with the old guys I felt like a Mcdonalds manager being 30 years younger than my subordinate....was kinda weird.

anonymous · « **Reply #29 on:** July 19, 2004, 06:53:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Once you become an NCO in the Marines they automatically sign you up for brig chaser class (at least it seemed that way to me)

when I had to deal with the old guys I felt like a Mcdonalds manager being 30 years younger than my subordinate....was kinda weird.

the closest i ever came was working rtc while getting over some dings. was at rtc as dive motivator but when the kids would say "i wanna go home" four days after showing up for boot camp sometimes theyd use me to shame them if they thought it was a "first time away from home" case of shock. always figured usmc boot camp didnt have to deal with situations like that. best one was a kid claiming he was gay and at age nineteen he had three kids with three diff women. never figured out how in the hell he made it to boot camp.