Author Topic: 6 Call Whines (Read 1583 times)

Simaril · « **Reply #30 on:** July 20, 2004, 09:47:00 PM »

Ok, wag, you're up to 6 cents -- i agree too

I consider a check 6 to be good manners, and good teamwork. If I get nailed because I didnt look behind me, it's my own fault. Taking responsibility for one's actions is part of being a grownup, and a good part of the whining atmosphere come from the many children of advanced age hanging around AH.....

RedTop · « **Reply #31 on:** July 20, 2004, 10:09:47 PM »

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Originally posted by xBarrelx
Chk 6s are teamwork, yes. Chk 6s, are important to survival, yes. But what happens when you're alone and there's no one to give you a chk 6? Who do you whine to? The guy attacking? What do you go on open channel and say "Gee Mr. Bad Guy why didn't you tell me on open channel to watch out for your attack."

When you can watch your six and fight at the same time, you've learned how to fight properly. I give a chk 6 whenever possible. I DO NOT expect one back. If I get shot down and I never saw the guy I blame myself, my own damn fault for not looking. I pay my $15, they pay theirs, I give chk 6s, they can do whatever they want. Get into lots of furballs. Inevitably there is going to be more than one guy you're bound to be engaged with. Just the other guy might now be in plain sight like the plane you're turn fighting or BnZing. It's all about SA and pilot skill.

The fewer chk 6s you recieve, and the more you get shot down by the enemy and you didn't see them, the more frustrated you become, and hopefully the more you watch your own arse.

Barrel...

Anyone who flies in AH any length of time should know that watching your own tail is something you HAVE to do...I agree with that....

Expecting Check 6's is living in a dream world probably as well...HOWEVER......

If I give a 6 call to someone and that someone needs help...And I fly to that someone to try to give that help (i'm talking furball here mainly) It's pretty tuff to watch behind you while trying to clear his tail of 2 , 3 , or more bad guys. Also..When you see those tracers whizzing by you and look back to see 3 or 4 MORE on you and 4 or 5 frendlies watching you get you tail shot off with not so much as a VOX call or keyboard 6 call , that's frustrating. I witnessed this SEVERAL times today.

Last Night while fighting at 23 base I think it was..or maybe it was 23 to 3 , who knows it was late , It was some of the best furballing I have been in in a long time for the very reason everyone was trying to help everyone out. I drug a spit or 2 maybe it was and Wadke , Dipstick , and Stooge , FORSEY , 38MAW and a HOST of guys helped me land. It was teamwork in the sense of everyone trying to cover eachother as best they could.

I don't see this often at all. Not only Knights (which I fly for) but Rooks as well. And I been there so I would know. Maybe it's just certain player types that do it. Possibly the "Good Flyers" think it's above them and have the "Screw the dweeb he should have watched his own tail and now I get the kill" attitude. If anything I possibly carry it to an extreme. Maybe I try to watch others and help them to much.

I will say this though...It's getting to the point that I know who helps and who doesn't...Who thinks they are "Above" others and I'll watch them spiral down because of their elietist attitudes. I'll cover my squaddies , and a few others long before they get so much as a HINT of a call. That could be the wrong attitude..If so..so be it:(

xBarrelx · « **Reply #32 on:** July 20, 2004, 10:29:24 PM »

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Last Night while fighting at 23 base I think it was..or maybe it was 23 to 3 , who knows it was late , It was some of the best furballing I have been in in a long time for the very reason everyone was trying to help everyone out. I drug a spit or 2 maybe it was and Wadke , Dipstick , and Stooge , FORSEY , 38MAW and a HOST of guys helped me land. It was teamwork in the sense of everyone trying to cover eachother as best they could.

I live for furballs with that kind of teamwork. Just when you don't see it that often, it often becomes a memory and nothing more. I'm just saying that learning to watch your but is the key to becoming a good pilot. And I'm also saying taht if you whine about it, you're not making any effort to better yourself when it comes to fighting. I fly now looking back all the time, I don't even notice that I do it sometimes. I don't think this makes me better than anyone else, just that I took the initiative to learn. But most of all I believe that is what having a squad is all about. When you fly with a bunch of guys, then they are tasked with your safety and you with theirs. That's what squads are for.

phookat · « **Reply #33 on:** July 20, 2004, 10:57:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
Phookat, if you notice there is a slight delay between the time you press ' and when the six call is given. You will also notice the pilot to recieve the chk6 will have his icon hilighted immediatly. The reason for the delay is, you can keep pressing ' and cycling through all friendlies in your current view. The mouse doesnt control the selection, it goes to the closest player from center of view. Press ' a 2nd time right away and it will go to the 2nd closest player and so on.

Oooooooh... Thanks for the info. Can't believe I've been flying without knowing that.

~~Too bad all my stick buttons are mapped. Maybe I'll have to give up raise-flaps or something.~~

AKIron · « **Reply #34 on:** July 20, 2004, 11:26:59 PM »

I give 'em whenever I can but my priority is watching my own bellybutton before yours. Just because you're in front of me doesn't mean I see you. I'm likely to be looking back to check my own.

Grits · « **Reply #35 on:** July 20, 2004, 11:47:27 PM »

Just to clarify, I give 6 calls every opportunity I can, I give a lot more than I get actually. Its not that I dont give 6 calls, I just think expecting that others are obligated to give them to you is silly. Getting mad at someone else when you dont get a 6 call and get yourself killed is even sillier. No matter how good the teamwork is, its still ultimately your responsibility to watch your own 6.

wrag · « **Reply #36 on:** July 21, 2004, 07:02:56 AM »

Your $0.02 is most welcome RedTop

Heck throw in a $1.00 if ya want

YES 23 and all around it was fun last night! Allot of cooperation is what I saw and enjoyed!!!

And RedTop covered what I'm talkin about!!!

I fly alone and I watch my 6. And if I get popped yep it's my fault.

I fly with or near a group and I watch my 6 and yes, you are correct, if I get popped it's my fault.

HOWEVER! When, as I said earlier, I got friendlies behind me and I get popped with out a 6 check, I go fly elsewhere cause I was trying to help and IMHO they did not care for or want that help. Or maybe another way of expressing it is they see me as bait?

Yes I've gotten 6 calls and still got popped, cause it was a little late or I ignored it for the nme I was after, or whatever, NP what matters is the spirit is there!

IMHO the ones that give 6 calls, and appreciate the help, they are worth flyin with and helping and recieving help from!

Example: flew all around 23 last night and got a gave many 6 calls. One in paticular was someone with the handle Vudak. BTW TY Vudak.

He was in a P38 I think and I called his 6 at least twice. He survived, I cleared his 6, and got a kill on the 190 chasing him, and as I pulled out he called my 6! A 202 was on me HOT. Without that 6 call I probably would have eased outa there and got popped, with it I manuvered and survived. That 202 chased me along ways LOL.

Also the person you call a 6 for may be a newbee and it doesn't hurt to start teachin him or her that 6 calls help us all! Be we Newbees or old hands.

And I'll close with this........

From my point of view the country you or me or any of us is flying for should be considered a really big SQUAD!

You do call 6's for your squadies don't you?

XtrmeJ · « **Reply #37 on:** July 21, 2004, 07:09:22 AM »

Don't whine to others because YOU failed to check YOUR rear end. Not their fault YOU died because of YOUR own mistake. It's always YOUR fault, not the other guys. Acquire some SA and you'll never have this thread again.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #38 on:** July 21, 2004, 07:42:38 AM »

Damn it!! Where was my 6 call before I read this thread?? ARRGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wrag · « **Reply #39 on:** July 21, 2004, 07:57:17 AM »

Green Hair?

Hmmmm..........

XtremJ you are IMHO extremely correct!

All the same If I don't get a 6 call when I need it after I just called and maybe cleared your 6 or your behind me and see that I need a 6 call while i'm in to clear someones 6 and i'm focused on gettin this bobbin and weaving nme that's chasin a bobbin and weaving, and trying to stay in the air knight, then, respectfully, I'll fly elsewhere, and I will avoid, whenever and where ever possible, flyin with, or near, you. Best wishes and good luck to you SIR . If I do get a 6 call, even if it's late or I chose to ignore it, I'll be back and try to help.

Why?
Because ......

Yes I normally pay very close attention to my own 6.

But sometimes, like when I'm trying to clear someones 6 I can get real focused and suffer target fixation.

I probably know you're in the area and probably know you're somewhere behind me. I tend to notice the handles of those flying around me. Started doing that in self defence actually.

So I'm putting some trust in you that you are there for the same reason as me and therefore will assist in whatever way you can.

I also realize that yes MAYBE I'm mistakely putting trust in who ever is behind me. I've done that enough times and got popped for it enough times that I've learned.

I've learned and am still learning who I can fly with and trust on those occasions.

Yes i've cleared someones 6 and known without a doubt that they've watched as I got shot down right afterward and NEVER SAID A WORD, NO 6 CALL, NOTHING. So every now and then I see such a person in trouble and HE or SHE is on their own thank you.

I don't think anyone can watch there back ALL the time.

I guess it's the spirit of teamwork or somethin like that.

Kinda a take care of your own thing.

jaxxo · « **Reply #40 on:** July 21, 2004, 08:55:03 AM »

For everyone who said expecting 6 calls is stupid...you either have alot of talented squaddies (xj) or your so scared to get in a furball that you fly at 25k. These statements about "not my job" are friggin ridiculous. Its silly to think that the 40 friendlys helping to cap a field cant give someone else a 6 call. You people have a different agenda in the ma cause its certainly not overall teamwork your looking for.

That being said, I never count on a 6 call but I hand them out like candy. I try not to get mad when I see 3 friendly's chasin a con up my arse while I'm engaged but it's hard.

Spitter · « **Reply #41 on:** July 21, 2004, 01:40:22 PM »

I wish one could give check6 calls to the enemy....then Slap could at least warn me before he blows me outta the sky.

'My' squad is very good about it, and we make it a point to not only give the call, but try and clear the tail of friendlies, even if it 'breaks mission'. Then again, we have standing orders to WTG anyone that lands kills as well.

Teamwork and manners aren't completely dead.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #42 on:** July 21, 2004, 02:25:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Rino
Gee, I wonder where you learned that, Mr Panic Spin

This dweeb named PhanBoi, maybe you've heard of him?

ack-ack

Fruda · « **Reply #43 on:** July 21, 2004, 03:36:23 PM »

I always get 6 calls, but half of them are when I'm already falling to the ground. That's what pisses me off.

I usually say, "Wasn't that a bit late?", but there's always some stupid, snide remark from the guy who did the 6 call.

XtrmeJ · « **Reply #44 on:** July 21, 2004, 03:44:12 PM »

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Originally posted by jaxxo
For everyone who said expecting 6 calls is stupid...you either have alot of talented squaddies (xj) or your so scared to get in a furball that you fly at 25k. These statements about "not my job" are friggin ridiculous. Its silly to think that the 40 friendlys helping to cap a field cant give someone else a 6 call. You people have a different agenda in the ma cause its certainly not overall teamwork your looking for.

That being said, I never count on a 6 call but I hand them out like candy. I try not to get mad when I see 3 friendly's chasin a con up my arse while I'm engaged but it's hard.

Of course 6 calls are always welcome. I give out 6 calls to whoever I can when possible. But I do not blame the other guys for my death when not given a 6 call. In the case of 40 friendlies capping a field, and you die not due to a 6 call, it's understandable, but not entirely their fault, should'nt you also blame yourself?