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Offline Minotaur

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« on: October 13, 2000, 09:07:00 AM »
I have have dealt with these things from 28k to the deck.  An amazing machine.  Seems to be able to turn and turn and turn and not lose very much E. It also climbs very well and zooms very well.

The Niki's nose will always be pointed at you or coming around on you.

It seems to accelerate out of 180 degree turns and gain on you.

You can't dive away from one.

How does every one else deal with this situation, of a Niki Co-Alt?  Stay d3.0 away and not engage has been my only solution.

Niki on my six, I'm dead....

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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2000, 09:12:00 AM »
Funny. I thought you were describing the Ki84.  Perhaps HT made a mistake and called it the Kai-Shiden.  As far as I know the Niki was not as fast as the Ki84.

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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2000, 09:38:00 AM »
Whats funny is everyone complains about the Chog being uber (Only thing uber about it is guns, and  its the same guns on Spit and Tiffy, Spit can boom and zoom, and turn , tiffy is fastest of the 3 under 15k) and yet the only plane that gives me personal heartburn is the Niki.

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2000, 09:57:00 AM »
I have to agree Rip, while I get cold sweats from facing Spits and C-Hogs, it's the N1K that has my knees shaking most times.  The N1K can swing that nose around fast, dive like a beast sometimes, and the 4*20mm option, while not as good as Hispano's can surely ruin your day fast when they hit.

Seems to be a lot of all 3 planes in the MA these days.  The other night I flew and 80% of opponents were flying one of these 3 planes.  I only saw 1 P38, a smattering of P51's, and a single yak all night.

Nice to see some Typhoons around again..

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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2000, 09:59:00 AM »
Niki's best asset is acceleration, thus, they can catch any fast plane when that plane loses energy.


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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2000, 10:14:00 AM »
Yeah... been LOTS of talk about the Niki in the last week. And the Typhoon for that matter. I don't get it. Is it not the same plane that's been flyin' in the arena since... well, a year now?

Seems to me these 'uber' complaints are cyclicle. What was the previous uber plane... the Yak? I can recal the La5 being the plane to fear... The 205 also? Of course, the Hog has always been on the list. It's been awhile now, but I can recal similar complaints against the pony, the 190 and the 109.

Are the FMs and guns of these AC changing on each TOD?

The Niki has quietly been doing its thing for a long time... and just now it's getting the 'Uber' label... With its pilots gettin' called dweebs.

You people are nuts  

Niki pilots - fear not... this will blow over, and soon some other plane (that has been here forever, with FM unnchanged) will be THE Uber plane, and y'all can fly in peace again.  

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2000, 10:16:00 AM »
Nash, I think it comes down to this, a fighter pilots ego.

One gets shot down, hates to admit that they screwed up or superior tactics were  used, so  they say "It was a Chog"..or whatever...


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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2000, 10:23:00 AM »
Hehe Rip, yah... I tend to agree. Wouldn't you Zig?  

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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2000, 10:27:00 AM »
Fear ME for I am the dealer of death.

I who brings the very sky down to earth with my fingers of death.

I pluck you from your heavenly perch and leave you a burning crumpled heap of metal and flesh on the very ground that I rule.

I fear no AC ...all are nothing compared to my UBER-Ostwind.

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Bow to me for I am your Master!!

UH RIGHT! Mr. Mighty1 either you take you medication or it's back to the rubber room.

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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2000, 10:31:00 AM »
ROTFLOL !!  A guy with your muscles and size, bet they had to use horse tranquilizer!

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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2000, 10:43:00 AM »
Every plane has another couple which can give it a troubles. I never considered chog strong opponent, I did not checked my statistic against it, but remember that it gave me trouble very few times when I flied spit IX. Also, in spit I rarely had problems with p51. But when I switched to yak -- pony became a trouble for me. I do not believe in "uberness" of planes, it is pilots who uber, not planes.

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2000, 11:02:00 AM »
Spits, Nikis are forgiving machines. I took my roomate and gave him a spit, after 1 consecutive hours of spins he was good enought to dogfight people and even put some bullets in them.

Watching him, I was impressed of what he could do (I flew P47 too long I think  ). He was stalling top of loops or in turn and still being able to maintain directional control to where he wanted to go.

If he had been in a less forgiving plane, he would had spined and got shot down right after recovery.

Thus I believe that the airplane helps big time. Put a newbie in a Spit and he can survive, put an experimented pilot in it and u have a serial killer.

Flying the P47, my policy is something like that : Co-alt or higher spit, I give it a short try (like an initial pass or an evasive), and I see how the other pilot reacts. If he looks newbie I try to fight him. If he looks like knowing what he is doing (usually not always pointing nose back to you, but trying to pull a stunt), I do a hard turn toward his 6, shoot some bullets to scare him and dive away as fast as I can. The time he realizes(finishing his evasive), I'm 1.3k away.

But because off course they fly as fast as me and accelerate better, I usually end up dead if someone doesn't come bother him.

I don't want to take a niki myself and go Niki/Niki/Spit, I love P47 shape and I keep it as main ride. (Bone head).

I like the P47 and I like to turnfight, I have a real problem there   .I don't find interest in going to 25K, engage only lower targets, perform loops only, and don't go below 10K. I understand and respect people who are doing this, especially their patience, but for me the fun is to find a way to bleed the other guy E and shoot him down, even with a plane who turns less, climb less blahblahblah... you all know the P47 performances  

My 2Cts, Salute all, have a great day!

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2000, 12:48:00 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2000, 03:50:00 PM »
Nash: this is NOT the same niki. The only thing that remains is the artwork. The FM is a completly different beast. There has been SEVERAL fm changes through the game, and in the last one, the niki got its super fix.
I never complained much about F4U-C. I died to them only when I was stupid enough to go HO. But this niki is just TOO good for a P-38 pilot. The P-38 sucks now. Its performance relative to other planes in the arena is practically the same as back in 1.03. The niki is too good. Wanna see if I am lying? go to the TA and pick a niki. See how many kills you will get, then try your MAIN ride and see how many kills you get. You will get an unpleasant surprise.. getting more kills in a plane you never fly over a plane you KNOW better than the  palm of your hand.

Still, with my P-38 I DO engage nikis, I KILL THEM, and then of course I TAUNT them.

No stupid paper plane is gonna ruin MY day, I will kill any of them that come across, or at least die along with him even if I have to ram him. Every niki pilot who faces me knows this  

But you just cant deny it, the damn plane is too good. It does thing that are NOT historically accurate (maybe KI-84 is capable of those things)

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2000, 04:01:00 PM »
Animal,
Provide evidence/proof that it is doing things that are not historical.

If you are merely basing this on your personal experiences/desires regarding the P-38/N1K2 then please qualify your remarks as things that you feel are off.

You are aware that the US stopped P-38 development because it wasn't as good as the P-51 and P-47, right?  Don't expect it to be an arena dominating aircraft.

Now, if you can provide actual data that says its modeled wrong, do so.  Stop with the meaningless "Fix the P-38" messages.

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