aussie reports on afghanistan

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Why not say, "while the world sat around..."?

the world minus a few really ballsy french foreign legionaires. didnt seem like much but they probably saved twenty thousand civvies just by having the balls to move into the area.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by demaw1
RUDE.......bottom line

   Damn Rude dont know who you are ,what color you are ,if you french ,russian, indian,american or come from venus with 8 arms I would be proud to shake your hand.

   DEAD, if it means we need to stop feeling up 91 year old greatgrandmas and start shearching men[ and women if need be]
 from the middle east before we let them on a plane or elsewhere and stop this stupid quota system of searching them/

  If it means I am smart enough to understand that these aid workers are running out now when they are most needed,and doing it only for polictial reasons/

  If it means taking a stab at the french because they have once again sided with there buddies the arabs in the sudan in my opinion and again europe and the u.n.are doing nothing about the killing of blacks [maybe a million by december] because the arabs say they are an inferior race/

 If because I have come to believe that maybe 65 percent of american blacks are narcissist people along with 45 percent of all americans/

  Then so be it I am a racist thru and thru.
  But I tell you this, If I was president, I promise you that by a week from to day , there would be no more arabs  making slaves of blacks or killing blacks and others in the sudan. I would not ask permission of europe or un.No resalutions nothing.And even If the blacks for what ever reason ended up hating us I would just say thank you very much and leave. If that makes me a racist then so be it.

No 'ifs' about it. You are a racist.

[demaw1]

Midnight....racist

    I can never tell with you what you really think,so since I didnt think you would respond to this one and you did,Ill say this.

  If you believe that try for once to say something more than a 1 liner expand why do you think I am a racist?

 The first day I was on you asked me what I would do about the sudan, I told you,I have done 70 percent of what I said.What have you done?

 Again if it was another throw a way line than this post isnt for you.

[midnight Target]

Not a throw away line at all. I'm basing that statement on your "beliefs"

I have come to believe that maybe 65 percent of american blacks are narcissist people

No problem. You are who you are. I like your stand on the Sudan.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by anonymous
the world minus a few really ballsy french foreign legionaires. didnt seem like much but they probably saved twenty thousand civvies just by having the balls to move into the area.

Actually that's not true at all as far as I can tell, do you have a source.  

The following countries contributed to the United Nations Assistance Mission In Rwanda (UNAMIR), which was under Canadian operational command.

"CONTRIBUTORS OF MILITARY AND CIVILIAN POLICE PERSONNEL
Argentina, Australia, Austria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chad, Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Fiji, Germany, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Guyana, India, Jordan, Kenya, Malawi, Mali, Netherlands, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Russian Federation, Senegal, Slovak Republic, Spain, Switzerland, Togo, Tunisia, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Zambia and Zimbabwe"

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/unamirF.htm


So when Rude says, "Perhaps you prefer the 800,000 Africans slaughtered while the UN sat around and sipped cherry and smoked cigars....of course", it's a not true.


It wasn't the UN that was sat around.  It was the members states that didn't contribute anything, or enough, to solve the problem.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Thrawn
It was the members states that didn't contribute anything, or enough, to solve the problem.

So who is the UN then?

I mean, obviously, it's not the "member states" right?

[demaw1]

Midnight...beliefs

  Midnight you are one of those that in your case I believe unwittingly made the word racist of no meaning.

  Truth can not be racist. The line you said made me racist has nothing to do with race.I also said 45 percent of Americans are narcissist, does not 45 percent of Americans far outnumber 65 percent of blacks. I refurred to blacks first because surprise blacks are the ones being killed now not any other race.

  I have nothing in common with charles rangel,I do not agree with anything he stands for almost,but I was cheering for him 4 weeks ago when he tried to do something about it.Dont hear anything from him because he couldnt get any support from the good ole boys like jj and enfume etc. If I say all blacks take 2 days longer to draw circles than anyone else and it has never been researched that is bigotted. If I say blacks are a inferior race,or say they have to sit at back of bus ,or make them slaves,[or any other group including white people] that is racist.

 Look at what they are trying to do to bill cosby,even given him orders and threatening him,of course the liberal whites are just saying oh hes just misguided.they all have problem,he has guts,he is very smart ,he is respected and he has a hell of a lot of money.Well see.
  Anyway sorry you feel that way,but I am at peace with my self.


   condaleeza rice for president in 2008.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Toad
So who is the UN then?

I mean, obviously, it's not the "member states" right?

Right.  The UN is a venue and a charter.  The UN can't compell member states to militarily support a resolution.  It can only grant them permission to so.  If member states decide not to, there isn't anything the UN can do about it.  So it seems silly to blame the UN when the member states don't do so.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by demaw1
scholz   re:   who said that

ahhh America is arrogant, what makes us think we can just go to afganistan. Why look at their history, even the ussr couldnt beat them....ahhh another veitnam etc. etc. etc.

Yeah, we should have just hid under our fugging beds after 9/11 and let 'em be.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Thrawn
So it seems silly to blame the UN when the member states don't do so.

So you're saying the UN has no real substance? After all, a venue and a charter really don't amount to anything at all do they?

Hmmmmmmmm...... yet feathers get ruffled when it's pointed out that the UN is basically useless when it comes to actually DOING something. Charter, venue, member states........ slice it as you like, things that need doing simply don't get done.

30,000+ dead and more to come in the Sudan being the current case in point.

Rwanda yet another.

But........ you know that.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Actually that's not true at all as far as I can tell, do you have a source.  

The following countries contributed to the United Nations Assistance Mission In Rwanda (UNAMIR), which was under Canadian operational command.

"CONTRIBUTORS OF MILITARY AND CIVILIAN POLICE PERSONNEL
Argentina, Australia, Austria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chad, Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Fiji, Germany, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Guyana, India, Jordan, Kenya, Malawi, Mali, Netherlands, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Russian Federation, Senegal, Slovak Republic, Spain, Switzerland, Togo, Tunisia, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Zambia and Zimbabwe"

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/unamirF.htm


So when Rude says, "Perhaps you prefer the 800,000 Africans slaughtered while the UN sat around and sipped cherry and smoked cigars....of course", it's a not true.


It wasn't the UN that was sat around.  It was the members states that didn't contribute anything, or enough, to solve the problem.

my source is buddies in the legion who i talked to after they were there. they were there they went into the area before the "official" response began.

[Thrawn]

"So you're saying the UN has no real substance? After all, a venue and a charter really don't amount to anything at all do they?"

Capitol Hill, and the Consitution?  


"Hmmmmmmmm...... yet feathers get ruffled when it's pointed out that the UN is basically useless when it comes to actually DOING something."

Then perhaps it should be the security council that should be blamed?  But one could go further and dicuss the flaws in the Charter itself.  

But Rwanda seems different to me.  The SC gave permission to the members to go in there and do something about.  And the members states decide not to do enough.  Under what other system could it be different?  Only if the UN could compell the nations to help stop the slaughter.

Same thing with Sudan.

[anonymous]

thrawn heres one listing i found doing quick search http://www.angelfire.com/fl/marcwitteveen/campaignslist.html. the guys i know were part of reconaissance unit and crossed over border before official decision came down if i remember right.

[Toad]

Well, fortunately, things DO get done on Capitol Hill by people acting through the Constitution when it comes to Americans getting slaughtered in thousands.

Can't say the same about the UN venue, charter and "citizens of the world" though.


Lay blame wherever you like. There's plenty to go around. However, laying blame does not absolve the refusal/inability to act when action is clearly needed.


Rwanda? This turned my stomach. Clearly, it was not my country's finest hour. Unfortunately, my country had plenty of company in the Hall of Shame that is the UN / UN Security Council.

100 Days of Slaughter

Although disease and more killings claim additional lives in the refugee camps, the genocide is over. An estimated 800,000 Rwandans have been killed in 100 days

Be sure to check out the links to the various speeches and especially the reports embedded in the timeline. Just about assured to make one abandon all hope.

Heck, maybe I should just adopt the Finnish attitude.

Originally posted by Fishu
Theres many places alike Sudan, in africa and around the world.

It would require too much resources to help these countries become peaceful...
 

That's the ticket; there's too many of them, so why even bother to try?

[Thrawn]

"Just about assured to make one abandon all hope."


Yep, that pretty much did it.  I read your links.  And I concede any and all points.   No offence ment, I just don't see the point.

I recall the end of the movie "The Mission".


Hontar: We must work in the world, your eminence. The world is thus.

Altamirano: No, Seņor Hontar. Thus have we made the world... thus have I made it.