Author Topic: Is Kerry a hero? (Read 4488 times)

Martlet · « **Reply #60 on:** July 28, 2004, 05:54:33 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I think I'd have opted for the safer rout - like a certain President we know.

Kerry did try to opt for the safer route out. He got turned down.

Nash · « **Reply #61 on:** July 28, 2004, 05:57:02 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
It would be a dangerous game for the Republicans to attack Kerry on a personal level instead of the platform.

Then why the constant personal attacks? Oh wait, they CAN'T run on their record...

Hence this ad nausiastidiotic bs.

demaw1 · « **Reply #62 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:00:48 PM »

Edbert mol re: kerry hero

Thank you for an excellent post.I to have problems with his story but could not say anything better than you have.I have heard it said he was in most dangerous area of the war. I dispute that try being a tunnel rat,that is neither here nor there though. I still have to come down on the side of him being a hero.Nothing he did could have been staged,and even if he picked his moments we know he could have been wrong and there could have been ten in the bush or even in tunnel waiting for him.Leaving his command was stupid[ even against regs] unless he was going to save someone and gave orders to take boat to safety.So I think anyone who has been in harms way should use it if running for office or anything else, just please let someone else do it.
BUT,just because someone was heroic isnt a gaurantee of character,and he has none. Remember benedict arnold he was a hero and the best field general in America bar none,but lacked character.What he did when he came back made me sick.I know people that had same fellings when they came back but would do nothing to harm moral of those still there.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #63 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:01:20 PM »

>>Kerry did try to opt for the safer route out. He got turned down.<<

I dunno - post the facts to back it up - and please NO RUSH LIMBAUGH links.

Lets say that is true for the sake of argument. Do you think it would be wise for Bush to challenge Kerry's military record??
You can't honestly believe that would be a smart thing to do.

Martlet · « **Reply #64 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:04:30 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>Kerry did try to opt for the safer route out. He got turned down.<<

I dunno - post the facts to back it up - and please NO RUSH LIMBAUGH links.

Lets say that is true for the sake of argument. Do you think it would be wise for Bush to challenge Kerry's military record??
You can't honestly believe that would be a smart thing to do.

do a search on any engine for kerry deferment, or something of the like and pull your own facts that are to your liking.

When has Bush challenged Kerry's record? He doesn't have to. Kerry's own service members do that.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #65 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:12:18 PM »

>>When has Bush challenged Kerry's record? He doesn't have to. Kerry's own service members do that.<<

No, Bush supporters do that and it stupid and is going to blow up in their face. Only something so stupid as that could make people forget about the likes of MM, Hilary Clinton, and Al Shaprton. Viet Nam was a hell hole, just as Iraq is a hell hole. ANYONE deriding people who served there are just inviting trouble. But go ahead. See if it works.

Clinton didn't WIN in 1992 - Bush LOST through STUPID strategies. George W. could very well lose this election through the same stupid choices.

Martlet · « **Reply #66 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:19:02 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird

No, Bush supporters do that and it stupid and is going to blow up in their face.

I disagree, and so do every single one of Kerry's Vietnam COs.

MrLars · « **Reply #67 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:19:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc8.htm

Then, the NYT’s Bill Keller wrote a column trashing Kerry as “the ersatz J.F.K., who fancies himself a global strategist because 30 years ago he faced down a Vietcong ambush” (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 8/13/02). Kerry’s a plenty strange dude, Keller said. “[W]ith all due respect for his exploit,” the scribe asked, “how utterly weird is it that he then took out his handy 8-millimeter camera and re-enacted his heroism on film?” But oops! In a later column, Keller acknowledged that he had misstated the content of Kerry’s “home movies” from Vietnam (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 9/9/02). “[T]he senator’s movies are not self-aggrandizing. Mr. Kerry is hardly in the film,” Keller said. Where had Keller obtained his bogus info? Where else? He had relied on the “usually dependable” Boston Globe, the misinformed Times pundit said.

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #68 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:22:06 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
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crap nm then ill fix it later.

demaw1 · « **Reply #69 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:29:34 PM »

RPM371 AND TWEETY BIRD re: bush,guard and smarts

You seem to take pleasure in bashings bushes gaurd duty and intelligence. You also give clinton a pass on lying and running away. Ok here are some facts, at anytime the guard could have been sent to vietnam , especially pilots during the time we were losing so many. Every time you get into a cockpit especially a fighter your risk of dieing increases 35 percent, dont believe me?Ask dean martins son,oh ya cant he died in an f 4 phantom a guard phantom. Lets see bush somehow got out of guard duty early,excuse me how did kerry get out of the nam early when no one else could,Dont give me that wounded three times bs cause thats what it is.

Intelligence, bushes grade point avg was 1 full grade higher than clintons when they graduated. In fact his grades were better than many who are saying he lacks intelligence.

Tell me tweety bird what do you know about veitnam,or iraq for that matter.Iraq is a hell of lot less of a hell hole than veitnam was.Why? BECAUSE f------ johnson and mcnamare would not let us fight to win. for the most part we were able to fight in desert storm and iraq why because someone like bush is commander in chief.The DEMOCRATIC leadership lost vietnam not the grunts.
Check this out you all are crying about 900 dead that all you can say 900 dead....well fool we lost 50000 in vietnam

score bush....900
johnson 50000 you choose.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #70 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:36:01 PM »

>>I disagree, and so do every single one of Kerry's Vietnam COs.<<

We'll I guess we'll see in November (hopefully not December again). See I *can't* overlook MM, Hliary, Al Sharpton etc.
But idiodic stunts like challenging someone's honest service to his country could just make me vote in anger, and I suspect I'm not alone in this. Yea - Kerry just packed away his 8mm cam, strolled on over to a fire fight for the soul reason of self promotio. Sell it to a ditohead - I aint buying.

And BTW - who ever said I gave Clinton a pass - I HATED CLINTON and never once voted for him. I don't vote for prostitutes.

The was every reason to challenge Clinton on character issues. Trying the same thing on Kerry is stupid , because they aren't there. He did his duty and it foolish to believe it was only because he couldn't get out of it.

midnight Target · « **Reply #71 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:37:33 PM »

Check to see how many f-102 pilots were sent to VN.

demaw1 · « **Reply #72 on:** July 28, 2004, 07:11:57 PM »

Midnight............

If you were responding to me,you did your normal thing say nothing about the truth of the post but pick a little line and try a little twist.Thats ok you can do what you want.

Your twist is dumb,the f 102 means nothing,he was also checked out in f 105 .Ok smartie check and see what plane had the highest shoot down rate.See I can do it to.

Just how long do you think it would take a fighter pilot to be checked out in another fighter,a week if it was during the time we were losing so many . Or do you believe once in a certain fighter always in that fighter? The guard was always used as replacement or back up which in a way was even more dangerous ,until the demos and yes people like you that vote for them made the military so small that now we have to use them as front line troops.Every time a demo gets in first thing he does is cut the military to the bone,something happens sends them in with pop guns like somalia. Rep. gets in has to rebuild military, duh, what happens defict.[ok simplistic but some truth]

If the 102 response wasnt for me than this isnt for you.If it was ya I am hot ,I am afraid kerry with the help of bozos like the ones in here will win. Then my son will be left in the cold like in somalia, not be able to fight to win like vietnam,or just plain killed because you all turned your back on him and the military.

demaw1 · « **Reply #73 on:** July 28, 2004, 07:20:32 PM »

Midnight............

If you were responding to me,you did your normal thing say nothing about the truth of the post but pick a little line and try a little twist.Thats ok you can do what you want.

Your twist is dumb,the f 102 means nothing,he was also checked out in f 105 .Ok smartie check and see what plane had the highest shoot down rate.See I can do it to.

Just how long do you think it would take a fighter pilot to be checked out in another fighter,a week if it was during the time we were losing so many . Or do you believe once in a certain fighter always in that fighter? The guard was always used as replacement or back up which in a way was even more dangerous ,until the demos and yes people like you that vote for them made the military so small that now we have to use them as front line troops.Every time a demo gets in first thing he does is cut the military to the bone,something happens sends them in with pop guns like somalia. Rep. gets in has to rebuild military, duh, what happens defict.[ok simplistic but some truth]

If the 102 response wasnt for me than this isnt for you.If it was ya I am hot ,I am afraid kerry with the help of bozos like the ones in here will win. Then my son will be left in the cold like in somalia, not be able to fight to win like vietnam,or just plain killed because you all turned your back on him and the military.

phookat · « **Reply #74 on:** July 28, 2004, 07:21:50 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I don't vote for prostitutes.

What's wrong with prostitutes?