Christians can sure be jerks

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

-SW

[2Slow]

Originally posted by Hawklore

Says it all.

[montag]

Originally posted by Octavius
Montag, you're right.  I found a new one too.

Lol, Im gona download some gif animat tools. I need a suckOmeter gage for my avatar.

[demaw1]

Phookat[ disagrees]


     You may disagree all you want.but it doesnt change the fact of truth,this country was founded on judeo/christian values,

.     Mostly in the 600s the land where europe now is was barbaric in nature.Until the refermation and the spread of the king james bible people didnt know what christian was,they only knew what preist told them it was hence all the bad things that happened in the name of jesus.

    At the time of the revolution europe was so steeped in the church of the state doctrine that if you didnt belong to the state church many bad things could happen to you. Therefore our founding fathers didnt want a church controled by gov.Hence freedom of religion any religion and there is no such thing as seperation of church and state until 1964. Freedom of religion was to protect the church from the gov not to protect the gov from the church. and to guarantee freedom of religion not from religion.
   Look at the post from many here ,no prayer here, no God there,no ten comandments anywhere. Well I gaurantee you most of the christians in America are not like the ones in roman days,when you make your move,and someday you will,there will be a blood bath.We wont be sitting in an arena waiting to be eating by lions.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by demaw1
Look at the post from many here ,no prayer here, no God there,no ten comandments anywhere. Well I gaurantee you most of the christians in America are not like the ones in roman days,when you make your move,and someday you will,there will be a blood bath.

Thank you for helping me illustrate my point.

[mosgood]

Originally posted by demaw1

   Look at the post from many here ,no prayer here, no God there,no ten comandments anywhere. Well I gaurantee you most of the christians in America are not like the ones in roman days,when you make your move,and someday you will,there will be a blood bath.We wont be sitting in an arena waiting to be eating by lions.

Wow.... you sure had to go back a long ways to make the Christians the victims... didn't ya?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by mosgood
Wow.... you sure had to go back a long ways to make the Christians the victims... didn't ya?

He needn't have. Christians are being murdered every day around the world for their faith.

[Chairboy]

Regarding the question as to whether White and Alvarez (the two that supported the motion to suppress the atheist's invocation) are Christian:

Kevin White said "These are sacred moments that refer to a supreme being and this speaker doesn't believe in God".  He attends the Seminole Heights Baptist church.

Mary Alvarez said "I just can't sit here and listen to someone that does not believe in a supreme being" and identified herself as a christian in this: http://www.tampatribune.com/MGBXZQLBOWD.html

Since you were suggesting that I apologize for not being able to show whether they are Christian, AKIron, I think it's fair to give you an opportunity to do the same to me now that I have.

[Octavius]

Originally posted by demaw1
Hence freedom of religion any religion and there is no such thing as seperation of church and state until 1964. Freedom of religion was to protect the church from the gov not to protect the gov from the church. and to guarantee freedom of religion not from religion.

Why should I be subjected to some belief system?  Progression not regression please

[vorticon]

Originally posted by AKIron
He needn't have. Christians are being murdered every day around the world for their faith.

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so are people from every faith...

[Shuckins]

Isn't atheism a religion?

[Octavius]

Originally posted by vorticon
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so are people from every faith...

by whom?  ... others of faith.  Lookie at all the wars mommy!  I dont see any agnostics running around annihilating religious folk.

[edit]:  shuckins, yes.[/edit]

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Regarding the question as to whether White and Alvarez (the two that supported the motion to suppress the atheist's invocation) are Christian:

Kevin White said "These are sacred moments that refer to a supreme being and this speaker doesn't believe in God".  He attends the Seminole Heights Baptist church.

Mary Alvarez said "I just can't sit here and listen to someone that does not believe in a supreme being" and identified herself as a christian in this: http://www.tampatribune.com/MGBXZQLBOWD.html

Since you were suggesting that I apologize for not being able to show whether they are Christian, AKIron, I think it's fair to give you an opportunity to do the same to me now that I have.

Uh, are you quoting the original link that you posted are did you google them as I bet earlier. I reread that and I don't see your quote in that link. Admit it, you assumed they were Christians and bashed them before you even read it.

Do you really find it that hard to admit your prejudice?


Here's your posted link:

TAMPA -- Three Tampa city council members walked out of chambers rather than listen to an atheist give the opening invocation.

Council members Kevin White, Mary Alvarez and Rose Ferlita left their seats Thursday rather than listen to Michael R. Harvey, a member of Atheists of Florida who had been invited by council member John Dingfelder to offer the invocation.

Even before Harvey spoke, White was pushing to cancel the invocation. These are sacred moments that refer to a supreme being, White said, and this speaker doesn't believe in God.

``We have never had people of an atheist group represent Americans,'' White said. ``And I don't think it is appropriate in this setting.''

White's motion to cancel the invocation failed 2-4, supported only by him and Alvarez, who called White ``very brave'' for making the effort.

``I just can't sit here and listen to someone that does not believe in a supreme being,'' Alvarez said.

Ferlita voted to allow the invocation go on, but also walked out.

``I think this is sending us in the wrong direction,'' Ferlita said.

Mayor Pam Iorio, who did not attend the council meeting, said later the invocation should be reserved for speakers who invoke God.

``I certainly don't agree with having an atheist come for the invocation,'' she said. ``I think the invocation is a time for the council to start their day with an expression of faith.''

Dingfelder said his invitation to Harvey started with a neighborhood talk. He often saw Ed Golly, president of Atheists of Florida, in South Tampa. Golly needled him that the invocation violated the separation of church and state.

``I agree you should have equal time,'' Dingfelder told him. ``I'll set it up.''

Dingfelder, who attends a Jewish synagogue, has also invited Baptist and Methodist preachers, as well as a chaplain from MacDill Air Force Base.

``I was honestly hoping it would not be a big deal,'' he said. ``Obviously, I am a little naive about that.''

[mietla]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Isn't atheism a religion?

sure it is. And pretty aggressive too. They won't be able to sleep until they convert everybody. They just can't stand someone else having different beliefs.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Okay, not sure how religion got into this thread... but lets get back to talking about crabs and other delicious animals.
-SW

Mmmmmmm ... I love everything about fresh crab.

How about a chitload of cherry-stone clams freshly picked from a salt pond in Misquamicut RI with some real spicy cocktail sauce along with a mound of steamed mussels in white wine and butter with a touch of garlic.

Followed by some freshly caught stripped bass or bluefish cooked on the grill, all the while downing some good beer and/or wine.