Author Topic: Christians can sure be jerks (Read 4342 times)

mietla · « **Reply #75 on:** July 30, 2004, 04:54:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Really?

Oh that's right... agnostics were harmless because they were non-commital. It was those damn athiests.

I believe Nazis could be considered agnostic. I don't recall any serious claims to atheism in their ranks... maybe at some level, but not an overwhelming doctrine. They simply saw an organized religion as a threat.

Same with Cambodia (oops... did I say laos) and Vietnam.

Ask an agnostic: "Is there a God?" He'll reply "I don't know and I don't care." I bet this is exactly how Pol Pot would have answered the question too.

Any totalitarian will see the religion as a threat, or at the very least as an obstacle that needs to be destroyed.

phookat · « **Reply #76 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:03:26 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I believe athiests are responsible for murdering more for their religion than any others. Not interested in looking it up just now so I ain't gonna argue this.

Atheists, agnostics, believers...they can all go to hell.

The reason these kinds of people suck is because they suck...not because they're atheists or christians or muslims.

Octavius · « **Reply #77 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:04:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Really?

Oh that's right... agnostics were harmless because they were non-commital. It was those damn athiests.

I believe Nazis could be considered agnostic. I don't recall any serious claims to atheism in their ranks... maybe at some level, but not an overwhelming doctrine. They simply saw an organized religion as a threat.

Same with Cambodia (oops... did I say laos) and Vietnam.

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Whoa. (GODWIN'S LAW - hehehe)

First, agnosticism has other applications outside organized religion. Religion in the Third Reich can be descibed as a sort of side show. It wasn't a large part of Nazi doctrine, Hitler wasn't specific at all. He outlined what was to be opposed rather than what was to be embraced (aside from nietzsche's superman and wagner's domination ideologies). Dont think that can be used in this argument.

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Ask an agnostic: "Is there a God?" He'll reply "I don't know and I don't care." I bet this is exactly how Pol Pot would have answered the question too. [/B]

^ "You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya

"I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure-that is all that agnosticism means."
- Clarence Darrow. Scope's trial for teaching darwinism

Arthur C Clarke. In many of his books he calls religion a "disease of infancy". One quote that I really like:

"One of my objections to religion is that it prevents the search for god, if there is one," he says. "I have an open mind on the subject, if there's anything behind the universe. And I'm quite sympathetic with the views that there could be."- Arthur C Clarke

Octavius · « **Reply #78 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:07:28 PM »

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Originally posted by phookat
Atheists, agnostics, believers...they can all go to hell.

The reason these kinds of people suck is because they suck...not because they're atheists or christians or muslims.

You just summed up 99% of the planet's population.

Nihilists can chill out Big Lebowski style while the rest go to hell. Cool!

Chairboy · « **Reply #79 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:13:36 PM »

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Originally posted by demaw1
There are no aeithist Chairboy, you worship something,God yourself moon trees something.

Actually, you're incorrect. I am an atheist, as is my wife. We don't believe in god, spirits, moon pixies, trees, or anything.

You're wrong about that, what else are you wrong about?

phookat · « **Reply #80 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:29:40 PM »

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Originally posted by demaw1
Mostly in the 600s the land where europe now is was barbaric in nature.Until the refermation and the spread of the king james bible people didnt know what christian was,they only knew what preist told them it was hence all the bad things that happened in the name of jesus.

So Christians didn't figure out what Jesus *really* meant until 1776? Of course this is false. Guess what...what you know *now* is "only what the priest told" you. You are not immune from this.

The Greeks had democracy. Many many cultures around the world which had nothing to do with Judeo-Christianity had advanced morals and advanced ideas about spirituality and the afterlife. The fact that the founding fathers were Christian does not mean America was based on Christianity. In fact what made them great is that they could see beyond their little sectarian view of the world and create a new kind of country that is not tied down to any particular religious views. And look how well it has worked out for us. Do you think we would have such a rich culture and economy without that?

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Originally posted by demaw1
Hence freedom of religion any religion and there is no such thing as seperation of church and state until 1964.

Freedom of religion implies separation of church and state, because religions (or human interpretations of religion) tend to be jealous of each other. That doesn't mean people who serve in government have to be atheists.

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Originally posted by demaw1
Freedom of religion was to protect the church from the gov not to protect the gov from the church.

You are missing the plural. "Churches". When you include the plural, you will see that protecting chrches from the gov implies protecting the gov from churches.

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Originally posted by demaw1
and to guarantee freedom of religion not from religion.

It guarantees both freedom from and freedom of. What do you want to do, arrest all the atheists?

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Originally posted by demaw1
Look at the post from many here ,no prayer here, no God there,no ten comandments anywhere. Well I gaurantee you most of the christians in America are not like the ones in roman days,when you make your move,and someday you will,there will be a blood bath.We wont be sitting in an arena waiting to be eating by lions.

I don't know exactly what you're getting at here. I wouldn't like to assume you have a persecution complex, so I think I'll just ignore this.

Curval · « **Reply #81 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:31:12 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Traditionally it's an opening prayer.

Dictionary:

in·vo·ca·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nv-kshn)
n.

1. The act or an instance of invoking, especially an appeal to a higher power for assistance.

2. A prayer or other formula used in invoking, as at the opening of a religious service.

We like to use an invocation after we draw the pentagon. There is lots of chanting and a call for the dark Lord to come forward. Then a virgin is disembowled.

And then....the oral sex.

Afterwards we go for beer.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #82 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:34:14 PM »

wow.....now imagine if I made a post saying any of the following:

"Blacks can sure be thugs"

"Arabs can sure be evil twisted people"

"Hispanics can sure be smelly"

"europeans can sure be trash"

or any of the following wich arnt usually related to being conservative you bleeding hearts would be all up an arms how offended you were and how I am such a bigot.

phookat · « **Reply #83 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:34:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Octavius
Nihilists can chill out Big Lebowski style while the rest go to hell. Cool!

LOL

phookat · « **Reply #84 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:39:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
or any of the following wich arnt usually related to being conservative you bleeding hearts would be all up an arms how offended you were and how I am such a bigot.

True, there's a double standard there, against the majority or the powerful. Political Correctness blows...but what're you gonna do.

Arlo · « **Reply #85 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:43:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Actually, you're incorrect. I am an atheist, as is my wife. We don't believe in god, spirits, moon pixies, trees, or anything.

You're wrong about that, what else are you wrong about?

Heh ... you worship the internet. Oh mighty internet ... make the bad Christians go away.

thrila · « **Reply #86 on:** July 30, 2004, 06:05:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D

Ask an agnostic: "Is there a God?" He'll reply "I don't know and I don't care." I bet this is exactly how Pol Pot would have answered the question too.

I'm agnostic and i disagree with that statement, so would others.

X2Lee · « **Reply #87 on:** July 30, 2004, 06:53:50 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla
sure it is. And pretty aggressive too. They won't be able to sleep until they convert everybody. They just can't stand someone else having different beliefs.

Athiests think God is out to get them for being athiests...

SOB · « **Reply #88 on:** July 30, 2004, 06:59:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Octavius
Montag, you're right. I found a new one too.

DIGGITY DIGGITY DIGGITY!

SOB · « **Reply #89 on:** July 30, 2004, 07:01:38 PM »

When given a choice between seafood and a steak, I will naturally choose a steak. Big-assed t-bone, grilled to perfection, yum yum. I could NEVAR be Hindu.