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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2004, 03:37:12 AM »
1st: Afghanistan

The regime of the Taliban in Kabul has been removed. Right.
Have the Taliban been wiped out ? No.

Did Al kaida lost all their bases and support in Afghanistan ? No.

Today Afghanistan is devided in regions controlled by Warlords.

The west of Afghanistan is controlled by an iranian puppet ruling in the city and province of Herat. No rights for women - no democracy - same like the situation when the USSR has to left Afghanistan.

In the northeast part of Afghanistan the usbekian Warlord Dostum has his terror regime - a regime very much Saddam. He is supported by the CIA and was responsible for killing thousands of POW´s and the assassination of at least 2 ministers of the Karsai government to become more powerful (he is also member of Karsais government).

In the southeast the pasthuni tribes have regaines their old power and again here the women have no rights, must wear the burkha. These pashtuni tribes are nothing else than the Taliban - and they are supported by the pashtuni tribes from Pakistan.

There are many other minor parties and each are fighting the others.

In Kabul Karsai cant move out without his foreign guards - he is like th soviet pupped Nadjibullah who was hanged by his people when his soviet masters left Afghanistan.

And to make its worse for the world all these parties produce drugs to finance their little warmachines.


So you call this a succes in war against terror in Afghanistan ?


Then Iraq:

One dictator was removed - and new dictators put place.

Btw - none of the neighbors feared Saddam, because his military and economy lied in ruins. There was short before the attack on Iraq a conference in Ankara where Turkey, Iran, Syria, Saudi-Arabia and other gulf-states met and came to the conclusion that Iraq was no danger for their neighbors.

But the good thing is that Saddam weas removed.

The bad thing is that obviously no one has planned for the day after the victory.

The shiite-leaders (shiites =  the majority of the people in Iraq) who wanted to cooperate with the USA, the Ajatollahs Choei and Ajatollah Hakim were assassinated.
Now only two leaders are left, the dominating Ajatollah Sistani (born in Iran and supported by Iran) and this Mullah Sadr who wants to kill Sistani to reach his goal to become leader of the shiites. (His group was at least responsible for the assasination of Hakim - maybe also of Choei).

In north Iraq the kurdish clans are fighting each other and the sunnite arab minority dont want to loose the power it had since the creation of Iraq after WW1 - supported by Jordan and the Saudis and also Syria.

The puppetregime under Allawi - a man who worked very long for the CIA - is hated by most parts of the iraqis.

And day by day US- and other occupation forces are under attack in Iraq and die.

If you call this a success then I dont want to see a failure by your definition.


So - these were only two minor countries with battered military, demoralized population with gorups within who fight each other.

Iran has not only larger territory but 60 million people who can easily be turn into fanatism if the right buttons are pushed.
For example when again foreigners are attacking the country.

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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2004, 03:59:05 AM »
BBS hawks, listen this babek man, he has some points.

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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2004, 04:13:57 AM »
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Grun do you think a mobile weapons factory is a WMD? Is a facility for the creation of WMD an actual deployable weapon of mass destrution?

To answer your question.  Of course the US can fight North Korea, but the Zulus could also fight the British at Rorkes Drift.  Could the US fisably attain their goals?

Now please answer my preceding question.


So now in your mind the USA Military is the Zulus and the NKPA is the brits at Rorkes drift?

Are you really saying that in your mind the NKPA is better trained, better led and better equipped, than the USA military?

Good god are you insane thrawn?


The only issue of doubt in such a war is how many South Koreans civilans die to NK artillery.

And here is another perspective - lets not forget the South Korean Army..

http://www.g2mil.com/korea.htm
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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2004, 05:36:14 AM »
Iran = Theocratic dictatorship, known terrorist supporter, WMD ambitions

= needs to be removed as a threat. Period.

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« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2004, 08:09:01 AM »
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I'll have you know that I have lots of friends that are jews, so I think I can speak for them when I say blah blah blah.


You may wanna check with them first. ;)

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« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2004, 09:26:08 AM »
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Originally posted by babek-
1st: Afghanistan

The regime of the Taliban in Kabul has been removed. Right.
Have the Taliban been wiped out ? No.

Did Al kaida lost all their bases and support in Afghanistan ? No.

Today Afghanistan is devided in regions controlled by Warlords.

The west of Afghanistan is controlled by an iranian puppet ruling in the city and province of Herat. No rights for women - no democracy - same like the situation when the USSR has to left Afghanistan.

In the northeast part of Afghanistan the usbekian Warlord Dostum has his terror regime - a regime very much Saddam. He is supported by the CIA and was responsible for killing thousands of POW´s and the assassination of at least 2 ministers of the Karsai government to become more powerful (he is also member of Karsais government).

In the southeast the pasthuni tribes have regaines their old power and again here the women have no rights, must wear the burkha. These pashtuni tribes are nothing else than the Taliban - and they are supported by the pashtuni tribes from Pakistan.

There are many other minor parties and each are fighting the others.

In Kabul Karsai cant move out without his foreign guards - he is like th soviet pupped Nadjibullah who was hanged by his people when his soviet masters left Afghanistan.

And to make its worse for the world all these parties produce drugs to finance their little warmachines.


So you call this a succes in war against terror in Afghanistan ?


Then Iraq:

One dictator was removed - and new dictators put place.

Btw - none of the neighbors feared Saddam, because his military and economy lied in ruins. There was short before the attack on Iraq a conference in Ankara where Turkey, Iran, Syria, Saudi-Arabia and other gulf-states met and came to the conclusion that Iraq was no danger for their neighbors.

But the good thing is that Saddam weas removed.

The bad thing is that obviously no one has planned for the day after the victory.

The shiite-leaders (shiites =  the majority of the people in Iraq) who wanted to cooperate with the USA, the Ajatollahs Choei and Ajatollah Hakim were assassinated.
Now only two leaders are left, the dominating Ajatollah Sistani (born in Iran and supported by Iran) and this Mullah Sadr who wants to kill Sistani to reach his goal to become leader of the shiites. (His group was at least responsible for the assasination of Hakim - maybe also of Choei).

In north Iraq the kurdish clans are fighting each other and the sunnite arab minority dont want to loose the power it had since the creation of Iraq after WW1 - supported by Jordan and the Saudis and also Syria.

The puppetregime under Allawi - a man who worked very long for the CIA - is hated by most parts of the iraqis.

And day by day US- and other occupation forces are under attack in Iraq and die.

If you call this a success then I dont want to see a failure by your definition.


So - these were only two minor countries with battered military, demoralized population with gorups within who fight each other.

Iran has not only larger territory but 60 million people who can easily be turn into fanatism if the right buttons are pushed.
For example when again foreigners are attacking the country.


thats a bunch of writing but your picture has nothing to do with reality. not going to waste a sunday am grading your fiction writing paper but heres one example. where exactly in afghanistan are there still training camps for al qaeda? you said they are there please enlighten me and tell me where exactly?

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« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2004, 09:28:03 AM »
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BBS hawks, listen this babek man, he has some points.


no he doesnt. nearly every one of his "points" are untrue.

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« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2004, 09:31:33 AM »
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thats a bunch of writing but your picture has nothing to do with reality. not going to waste a sunday am grading your fiction writing paper but heres one example. where exactly in afghanistan are there still training camps for al qaeda? you said they are there please enlighten me and tell me where exactly?


Don't do it, Babbie! He's just trying to get a fix on them so he can inform the powers that be where to target your friends! :D

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« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2004, 09:33:19 AM »
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Don't do it, Babbie! He's just trying to get a fix on them so he can inform the powers that be where to target your friends! :D


that is not as far from the truth as you might think if there was any credence to what babek was typing. :)

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« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2004, 09:38:04 AM »
You'd have to race me to it. There may be a reward. :D

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« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2004, 09:39:15 AM »
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Give me a freaking break.



 This is not the fish I was hoping to hook.  I'm going to throw it back.  Didn't even pull out any drag either! :mad:

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« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2004, 09:43:12 AM »
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You'd have to race me to it. There may be a reward. :D


if you had the assets to call on id give it to you. me and my pals are not eligible for any rewards. just dont forget us at the bar. :)

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« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2004, 01:10:40 PM »
"Are you really saying that in your mind the NKPA is better trained, better led and better equipped, than the USA military?"


No.


Now that's two questions of yours I anwsered and you have yet to answer mine.  Any particular reason you aren't answering it or are you just gutless?

And NUKE, where did you go?  :eek:



Is a mobile weapons factory is a WMD? Is a facility for the creation of WMD an actual deployable weapon of mass destrution?

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« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2004, 01:31:32 PM »
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Is a mobile weapons factory is a WMD? Is a facility for the creation of WMD an actual deployable weapon of mass destrution?


Its a violation of the cease fire agreement. Is that answer enough for you?

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« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2004, 01:32:23 PM »
Getting back to the subject..

I think that it's not fair that certain countries can produce cheap power(nuclear) and dictate that other nations(usually impoverished countries) cannot have this technology..

Level the playing feild...How about NO countries use nuclear power until this planet gets it's act together?...

Wait..It's too late for that,will never happen.

It's too late to dictate who can't have reactors as well.
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