Picture is Worth a Thousand Words

[Toad]

Originally posted by MrCoffee
I'll tell you one thing, if the Airforce spent all that time training me to fly jets, I can guarantee you I would go out of my way to make sure I saw some action.

Which goes to show that you really don't know anyting about how they assigned aircraft in that era.

In my class of 55 there were 7 fighter assignments.

What would you have done if you didn't get one?

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Lizking
You won't see Hitler's picture in any display devoted to things that helped the allies win the War, Nash.

sad, because he should be listed as the number one cause that helped win the war.  Had he not hogtied the military with his stupid commands and edicts, we would ALL be looking at much different geography today.

[Lizking]

Well, Duh, but his intent was to win the war, not help us lose it.

[Sceadu]

Public records.  Readily available on the internet.  Look them up yourself.

  Bush scored the lowest possible on the pilot aptitude test, a 25 out of 100.  He was then jumped over 500 other applicants already on the waiting list to get into the Texas Air National Guard - all of whom scored higher than he did.  More than one member of the Texas government at the time has confirmed this to be the case.  The pressure came from the White House on behalf of then U.S. Representative from Texas, George H.W. Bush.  The head of the Texas Guard at the time, the one responsible for approving Bush's entry into the Guard, was later promoted to head of the entire National Guard, during guess whose administration? That's right, George H.W. Bush.  Those are facts.  Indisputable.  

  Not long after receiving his wings, Bush was grounded from flying for "failing to achieve" a required physical examination.  Whether he failed to achieve it because he failed the exam or failed to show up for the exam is not recorded in the publicly available records.  His flight suspension is available, however.  He never regained his flight status.  Coincidentally, the physical he failed to achieve was the first set of  tests in which drug testing was a required element.  What a coincidence.

[Sceadu]

Oh, and while I'm thinking about it.  The picture that opened this thread of Kerry in Vietnam was when he went with a delegation to negotiate the search for MIAs. Another member of that delegation was Jhn McCain.  Oddly, I don't see any of the boneheaded posts above which were making stupid assumptions about that pic  also deriding McCain for being in the same place at the same time for the same reason as Kerry.  I wonder why?

[demaw1]

sceadu.......mccain

       You are right no one is saying anything adout mccain,you ask why/three reasons
   1.    mccain not running on ticket
    2.  big differance between all those years being a pow and suffering all the torture he did.and three litte cuts.
   3. he didnt come back and stab the military in the back with his votes.

[Toad]

Weazel, is McCain's picture in the museum? If so, which section?

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Sceadu
Public records.  Readily available on the internet.  Look them up yourself.

  Bush scored the lowest possible on the pilot aptitude test, a 25 out of 100.  He was then jumped over 500 other applicants already on the waiting list to get into the Texas Air National Guard - all of whom scored higher than he did.  More than one member of the Texas government at the time has confirmed this to be the case.  The pressure came from the White House on behalf of then U.S. Representative from Texas, George H.W. Bush.  The head of the Texas Guard at the time, the one responsible for approving Bush's entry into the Guard, was later promoted to head of the entire National Guard, during guess whose administration? That's right, George H.W. Bush.  Those are facts.  Indisputable.  

  Not long after receiving his wings, Bush was grounded from flying for "failing to achieve" a required physical examination.  Whether he failed to achieve it because he failed the exam or failed to show up for the exam is not recorded in the publicly available records.  His flight suspension is available, however.  He never regained his flight status.  Coincidentally, the physical he failed to achieve was the first set of  tests in which drug testing was a required element.  What a coincidence.

bullsheet. public record of this on internet then tell me where. not like it wouldnt be available on moveon.org website if it was true. theyd have scan of all documents you claim exist. go back to selling bridges in florida.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Sceadu
Public records.  Readily available on the internet.  Look them up yourself.

  Bush scored the lowest possible on the pilot aptitude test, a 25 out of 100.  He was then jumped over 500 other applicants already on the waiting list to get into the Texas Air National Guard - all of whom scored higher than he did.  More than one member of the Texas government at the time has confirmed this to be the case.  The pressure came from the White House on behalf of then U.S. Representative from Texas, George H.W. Bush.  The head of the Texas Guard at the time, the one responsible for approving Bush's entry into the Guard, was later promoted to head of the entire National Guard, during guess whose administration? That's right, George H.W. Bush.  Those are facts.  Indisputable.  

  Not long after receiving his wings, Bush was grounded from flying for "failing to achieve" a required physical examination.  Whether he failed to achieve it because he failed the exam or failed to show up for the exam is not recorded in the publicly available records.  His flight suspension is available, however.  He never regained his flight status.  Coincidentally, the physical he failed to achieve was the first set of  tests in which drug testing was a required element.  What a coincidence.

also your story of being grounded shortly after earning wings is direct opposite of investigation results of two major newspaper. read webpage that funked1 listed.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Sceadu
Public records.  Readily available on the internet.  Look them up yourself.

  Bush scored the lowest possible on the pilot aptitude test, a 25 out of 100.  He was then jumped over 500 other applicants already on the waiting list to get into the Texas Air National Guard - all of whom scored higher than he did.  More than one member of the Texas government at the time has confirmed this to be the case.  The pressure came from the White House on behalf of then U.S. Representative from Texas, George H.W. Bush.  The head of the Texas Guard at the time, the one responsible for approving Bush's entry into the Guard, was later promoted to head of the entire National Guard, during guess whose administration? That's right, George H.W. Bush.  Those are facts.  Indisputable.  

  Not long after receiving his wings, Bush was grounded from flying for "failing to achieve" a required physical examination.  Whether he failed to achieve it because he failed the exam or failed to show up for the exam is not recorded in the publicly available records.  His flight suspension is available, however.  He never regained his flight status.  Coincidentally, the physical he failed to achieve was the first set of  tests in which drug testing was a required element.  What a coincidence.

man the more i think about it you are so full of sheet. "scored the lowest possible on the pilot aptitude test, a 25 out of 100" is classic extreme lefty elitist statement. bush graduate from yale but he dont go to same coffee shop or talk as nice so no way he can be intelligent. explain to me if he scored lowest but then selected for jet fighter how does this work? the white house dont pressure anyone to get a kid into the guard. its beneath them. especially if only a rep from texas wants it to happen. but its a lie and insult to even imply that daddy bush who is combat veteran and pilot would ever do such a thing. you expect other ninety nine percent of world to swallow your lies that bush dad and son have no honor? show me quotes of texas politician stating that whitehouse "pressured" texas guard to let bush jr in. i dont believe it for a second.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by demaw1
sceadu.......mccain

       You are right no one is saying anything adout mccain,you ask why/three reasons
   1.    mccain not running on ticket
    2.  big differance between all those years being a pow and suffering all the torture he did.and three litte cuts.
   3. he didnt come back and stab the military in the back with his votes.

votes how about his lying testimony before govt? about war crimes. how about his knowingly bringing others to testify on "war crimes" when these scum presented as combat veteran of vn but kerry know they have never been in military. how do you "recant" testimony that is supposedly your own eyewitness accounts and not be considered a liar? what did he wake up and realize all war crimes he witness are just a dream?

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sceadu
Oh, and while I'm thinking about it.  The picture that opened this thread of Kerry in Vietnam was when he went with a delegation to negotiate the search for MIAs. Another member of that delegation was Jhn McCain.  Oddly, I don't see any of the boneheaded posts above which were making stupid assumptions about that pic  also deriding McCain for being in the same place at the same time for the same reason as Kerry.  I wonder why?

Welcome back Weazel!

[DoKGonZo]

I know I'll get called the L-word for my views, but what the hell ...

Kerry showed a lot of balls - coming back from his tour and going in front of the senate - a nobody, basically - and telling them they were squealing up the war. He *could* have done what a lot of other people were doing - become a radical and blow crap up - or threaten to. I was a teenager then (in Boston) and vividly remember bomb scares about every other month in Jr. High and High School. No, he went into politics and tried to make things better from the inside.

I really don't think he even considered the "stabbing the military in the back" angle *at that time* ... he wanted to get the people he served with home before any more died. It was a different time in the 60's and early 70's - very, very different. Juding his actions then by today's more antiseptic standards is not quite fair.

Same for W and his "tour" ... hell, Clinton got out of going too.  I doubt Bush, or Bush Sr., even considered how it would look 40 years later - they just didn't want their kid dead and this situation of an "unpopular war" had never really come up in the nation's history. And, given how W was spending his youth, I really doubt anyone thought he'd get serious long enough to hold an office like President.



Frankly, both parties make me sick. They're so busy with their pissing contest that the country is going downhill. And it all seems like a big game to them - which is the most sickening thing of all. Like, dudes, Americans are dying still in Iraq - this is no damn game.

And whoever does win the election, the other party will do their damnedest to stop any legislation he tries to pass - so he looks bad - so he'll lose the next election - so their dingbat can win - so the first party can stop his legislation - so he looks bad - so that four years later they can win ... and on and on and on ... and we still have no national healthcare and the terror alert is stuck on megenta or puce or something or other ... and geezuz is this really what Ben Franklin had in mind?

[anonymous]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I know I'll get called the L-word for my views, but what the hell ...

Kerry showed a lot of balls - coming back from his tour and going in front of the senate - a nobody, basically - and telling them they were squealing up the war. He *could* have done what a lot of other people were doing - become a radical and blow crap up - or threaten to. I was a teenager then (in Boston) and vividly remember bomb scares about every other month in Jr. High and High School. No, he went into politics and tried to make things better from the inside.

I really don't think he even considered the "stabbing the military in the back" angle *at that time* ... he wanted to get the people he served with home before any more died. It was a different time in the 60's and early 70's - very, very different. Juding his actions then by today's more antiseptic standards is not quite fair.

Same for W and his "tour" ... hell, Clinton got out of going too.  I doubt Bush, or Bush Sr., even considered how it would look 40 years later - they just didn't want their kid dead and this situation of an "unpopular war" had never really come up in the nation's history. And, given how W was spending his youth, I really doubt anyone thought he'd get serious long enough to hold an office like President.



Frankly, both parties make me sick. They're so busy with their pissing contest that the country is going downhill. And it all seems like a big game to them - which is the most sickening thing of all. Like, dudes, Americans are dying still in Iraq - this is no damn game.

And whoever does win the election, the other party will do their damnedest to stop any legislation he tries to pass - so he looks bad - so he'll lose the next election - so their dingbat can win - so the first party can stop his legislation - so he looks bad - so that four years later they can win ... and on and on and on ... and we still have no national healthcare and the terror alert is stuck on megenta or puce or something or other ... and geezuz is this really what Ben Franklin had in mind?

if bush jr was dead set on avoiding vn he would have chosen aircraft type not flying there or not flying in combat as opposed to type that was. bush sr was combat pilot second world war you saying he lacked moral character to point that he thought his son should not go in harms way like he did? kerry didnt tell anyone they were fediddleing up the war he lied and claimed us forces in vn were "equivalent of waffen ss".

[Lizking]

You get to choose your Airplane?  Wow!  Sign me up for a SR-71!