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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2004, 12:15:59 PM »
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Some of President Bush's missing Air National Guard records during the Vietnam War years, previously said to be destroyed, turned up on Friday but offered no new evidence to dispel charges by Democrats that he was absent without leave.

Well, from the first word (some) would tell me they are still missing records.  "no new evidence" dosn't seem to help your argument.


Help my argument?  Heh, how quickly we forget.  You're trying to prove, unsuccessfully, that Bush didn't earn his position in the NG.  You've yet to do that.
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« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2004, 12:36:35 PM »
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Yeah right, the guy who avoided service questioning the guy who did serve, i'de like to see that too.


You should try your "Guard guys don't really serve" argument at a bar with some Guard guys as the audience.
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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2004, 12:37:30 PM »
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You should try your "Guard guys don't really serve" argument at a bar with some Guard guys as the audience.


I already tried to get him to do that.

He was a no show.
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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2004, 12:40:03 PM »
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Fully rated?  


Did you go through USAF pilot training? Did you then make it through single-engine fighter school?

Do you have any clue what it takes to go from a non-flying civilian to being a mission-ready single seat fighter pilot?

I'm guessing the answer to all of those is a resounding "NO", judging by your posts here.

I post a two-syllable summation of my estimate of your intelligence except that I work real hard not to insult people on the BBS.

Are you going to the Con though?
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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2004, 12:46:32 PM »
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My bad, your correct.  No one in the military could be influenced by someone who once was the head of the CIA.  Sorry for the mistake.


yeah right the dci is going to make a call to some usaf flight instructor to make sure his son makes it as a jet fighter pilot. really. happens all the time. maybe in your little conspiracy filled world but not in real world. and even if your la la land ideas were someone on the mark id say "check the timeline retard". bush was not dci until '75 or so. kind of late for him to influence his sons ability to make it as a fighter pilot. admit it dude youre just spewing what the extreme lefty propoganda officers are telling you to spew. no difference between you and the robots who marched their countrymen to death camps in asia because the "popular revolutionary mouthpiece" told them it was "the truth".
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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2004, 12:51:53 PM »
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Did you go through USAF pilot training? Did you then make it through single-engine fighter school?

Do you have any clue what it takes to go from a non-flying civilian to being a mission-ready single seat fighter pilot?

I'm guessing the answer to all of those is a resounding "NO", judging by your posts here.

I post a two-syllable summation of my estimate of your intelligence except that I work real hard not to insult people on the BBS.

Are you going to the Con though?


toad you dont understand dude. some college soph working at moveon.org says that bush was a deserter. how could this not now be the truth? :)
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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2004, 12:57:37 PM »
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My bad, your correct.  No one in the military could be influenced by someone who once was the head of the CIA.  Sorry for the mistake.


     Think your timeline is a little off.
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« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2004, 12:58:19 PM »
You are absolutely right.

I suppose I've gone to a few too many peacetime services where a flight helmet and a pair of flying gloves were the central exhibit.

Because, of course, there was nothing left to put in a coffin.
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« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2004, 01:08:22 PM »
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Sixpence, tell that to all the guys in the NG.  He did serve, you just will not accept the fact.


Just some National Guard facts...

In the middle of the Tet offensive, 11 Air Guard squadrons were called up on Jan. 28. Three additional Air Guard squadrons and all the Army Guard units mobilized were activated May 13.

The 116th Engineer Battalion, Idaho Army Guard, spent 11 months in Vietnam and returned home in September 1969.

Nearly 25,000 National Guardsmen served in Vietnam.

100 Guardsmen's names are etched on a black granite wall.
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« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2004, 01:14:36 PM »
Yah, well, shure... but, like, NONE of those guys actually SERVED, yanno?

They were like... Guard.... and got in because their daddies had pull and all. They weren't.. yanno... REAL SOLDIERS.
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« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2004, 01:24:11 PM »
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Sixpence, tell that to all the guys in the NG.  He did serve, you just will not accept the fact.


Why, did they all campaign for politicians in Alabama too? I say that with regard to someone who said Kerry was the lifetime politician and Bush was not.

Kerry did serve in vietnam, Bush did not, and I do accept that fact.
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« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2004, 01:28:34 PM »
I know a lot of VietNam era military guys that went to VietNam and I know a lot of VietNam era military guys that did not.

Is either group somehow more honorable or "worthy" than the other?

Do explain.

Sidenote: AFAIK, max troop strength in VN was less than 600,000. There were millions of US military at that time. Were only the ones actually in VN "worthy"?

What's your point?
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« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2004, 01:30:18 PM »
Did I say he was not worthy? No. But I don't think someone who avoided the conflict is worthy of questioning the service of someone who did not.
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« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2004, 01:32:36 PM »
Upon what evidence do you base your statement that he "avoided the conflict"?

Go ahead, this should be good.

You better have something better than "well, he joined the Guard!"
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« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2004, 01:43:00 PM »
Yeah, and I can't prove saddam had WMD either, but I believe it. Look, I am not calling him a bad person for it, alot of that kind of stuff went on, but someone in that position is not worthy of questioning the service of someone who actually served there, who actually considered it his duty to serve there.

I don't question a vietnam vet's service, I work with alot of them. I don't question if any medals they have are legit, or do I question their patriotism.
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