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Offline demaw1

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« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2004, 02:08:39 PM »
Jamatsu.......reply.......tha nk you for your questions.....


     No terrorism hasnt stopped and it wont ever unless we do what we have to do and what was done thru history to stop it.

   But the idea is not to stop terrorism, but to destory anyplace it can use as a refuge,staging area,communications or even go to a hosipital for a wound. and to keep them on the run.....I just realize something, the other side keeps saying we havent stopped the terrorist...but that has never been the goal cause you cant.

  Iraq was a much greater threat to us than n.korea for 4 strong reason which if you want me to say I will.   Iran is a threat to us but to a smaller degree. Untill the nuclear weapons thing syria was more of a threat than iran.

   Bin laden is important,but not the point.This is a religious war someone will take his place no one unreplaceable. If what you say is true than why was there terrorism before he was born.


    Have you for gotten the uproar from the democrats saying bush is failing because of no warning system? no it doesnt do much but the dems agreed to this plan and that is why it is used.

  the alerts are not for us to protect ourselfs, to protect your self cary a weapon in the trunk and pray you can get to it on time If it is a bomb, you are out of luck, better to know where you are going after death than to in this case worry about all the ways to protect yourself,

  I feel safer because of what I wrote last time did any of it make any sense to you?   besides if I die I know where I am going.


   Once again you said collage kids.....when the dems sent us we were high school kids.....question ,if you have to go ,is it better to go at collage age ,or hi school age?







 























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« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2004, 02:16:49 PM »
>>This war so far has been the quickest and least bloody in our History, at least unless you are going to call Panama in 90-91 a war. Perhaps "total disaster" was an overstatement?
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Well it might be the fact that we will be in Iraq forever. Lets see, before we can leave, we have to make sure that any weapons we leave for them to defend themselves from Iran, won't be used against us. So, we have to make sure we leave a poplulation of United States loving Iraqis. Yea, we should be able to do that in about 1 year eh?

This isn't Viet Nam where we can just leave when we realize "ohoh." We have to stay unless we want Iran handling Iraqs resources.

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« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2004, 02:17:40 PM »
Uhm, I don't think you know what you mean demaw1: The kids are high school aged, they graduate and go to the army so it can pay for college. They are the same.
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« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2004, 02:35:18 PM »
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Well it might be the fact that we will be in Iraq forever. Lets see, before we can leave, we have to make sure that any weapons we leave for them to defend themselves from Iran, won't be used against us. So, we have to make sure we leave a poplulation of United States loving Iraqis. Yea, we should be able to do that in about 1 year eh?

I hear ya and agree, of course if you think about it, we are STILL in Germany, over 50 years after cessation of formal hostilities.

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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2004, 02:38:06 PM »
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Uhm, I don't think you know what you mean demaw1: The kids are high school aged, they graduate and go to the army so it can pay for college. They are the same.
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I'm not speaking for demaw, he's more than capable of that himself. But I THINK i know what he means. In Vietnam the average age of a combat soldier was 19. In GW1 is was something like 26. I do not know what it is now but there is a lot more senior people involved on the ground, the NCO portion of our military is the backbone and they've shown themselves to be capable and professional.

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« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2004, 02:59:28 PM »
I know, BUT I'm saying that 18-19 are college aged. They aren't high school "kids", but adults at that point. Most had graduated H.S., if not all.
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« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2004, 03:05:40 PM »
I understand demaw. Back then there was a draft. Now there isnt. The reason I say college kids is because the majority are freash out of high school and come to the military under the impression its for 4 years, go to school, get out, continue schooling just to find out they owe a total of 8 years.

You say terrorism cant be stopped. So if thats the case then why fight it with overwhelming force. Why not do what we have been doing all along, react instead of act? Do you think that we will get caught up in a never ending cycle like Isreal and the Palestinians? My fear is that we will continue our war on terrorism and spread it to other countries. We cannot handle Iraq at this point let alone going into Syria or Iran. Hell Sudan is talking about fighting foreign troops if the U.N. sends them. The world sees that the U.S. is spread thin. Our military has weakened and countries will stand up against us.

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« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2004, 03:09:54 PM »
akswulf......collage....

      sure i will explain myself...on avg...kid gets out of high school 17..18.  takes 6 months to 2 years off ,joins military, when do you think he is ready for combat?

      back then....same thing but if drafted [number system]  he would most likely be burying his head in the ground before he is nineteen or shortly after he is nineteen......to date I have not heard off anyone haveing to take a sand dune 3 times cuz you only have to take it once under this president......any bets on how many time we will have to take a sand dune if kerry gets in?  Just for fun wulf do you know what i mean?  honest just for fun.

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« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2004, 03:17:30 PM »
Don't ask me what I think Kerry will do. I don't even know what Bush will do. It doesn't matter either way to me, I hope neither will be president after this years election - but I do know one will be, and my money is on Bush.

Of course, since the days of Vietnam the entire battlefield has changed completely. Today wars are fought counted in days against countries with weak militaries. Bush isn't some magical wonder weapon, Iraq was a feeble nation - and Afghanistan was beaten into submission by not just our military. Of course, there are still huge problems in both countries - Afghanistan is less reported though. With regards to Afghanistan, many higher ups believe it will implode. So again, don't attribute much to this president - its too early to tell what good has really been done.
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« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2004, 03:23:42 PM »
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Not immediate, no. But soon enough to prevent them from getting nukes, yes.


I'll say it again--they don't need nukes. Their army is as strong as it needs to be to provide an exceptionally bloody conflict. Right now. If we want to know what weapons they have we must merely check our receipts.  

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What do you propose we do, try to win their hearts and minds and convince them that World peace is their best choice? The latter MIGHT work if it becomes clear that the alternative is being put into a cell like ole Saddam is right now.
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Something like that--the Iranian Republic is nothing like SH's Iraqi dictatorship. It is a blend of Parliamentary government ruled by the clergy (Guardian Council) if you can get your mind around that--using the Qu'ran as final arbiter of the law. It is horribly inefficient. Here's how it works:

http://www.wsu.edu:8000/~dee/SHIA/REP.HTM

Therefore I believe diplomacy and economic incentives would work best in this instance combined with allies united against terrorism--whether it be the actual UN or another organization we create with the same goals--to put pressure on their government until they saw how they suffer internally from the world's displeasure. Remember, Iran controls 1/5 of the world's oil so they do have bargaining chits.

Remeber also our initial foray into putting our man in charge of Iran in the '70's?

http://i-cias.com/e.o/pahlavi2.htm

Interestingly, the overthrow of the Shah probably prevented Iran from becoming a nuclear power as the extremists backed away from anything smacking of Westernalism.

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Should we sit here and wait while they continue to fund and train terrorists?
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See above.

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But are you saying thier conventional military is as much of a threat/deterrent as NK's nukes?


Absolutely. The only direct threat posed by NK is if they were to sell their technology/final product to someone else. It is unlikely we would invade them too--the last "police action" over there was too costly and inconclusive to be repeated any time soon.

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« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2004, 05:37:05 PM »
Dead.........wolves

   I first paid attention to the wolves story some months back.The history channel was showing a small series on the allies run thru france into germany and  the end of war. They didnt say the wolves were disbanded by the ss maybe for the same reason I dismissed it also.  History channel as I remember it said they caused along with some others a decent amount of problems for about 6 months. thats close enough 2 two months I guess.Slight amont of trouble for 2 years.The allies wanted to of course down play their role for obvious reasons.In russian sector it was reported that there was a clash between suspected members of wolves and russian troops 1949.It wasnt confirmed could have been anything I guess.
    Next time, I read about rices statement ,perked my interest

read reynolds colum and because of my bias against la and ny times Idismissed most of her colum. didnt find a lot at rand, but didnt push it, because of the history channel,which I have some faith in.

   also didnt think rice et al would lie because it would be easy to the dems to dispute and cause a fire storm...didnt like words like ambiguity being used and some historians took issue with ,which means some didnt....So common sense told me must be some truth....about all I know about.

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« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2004, 06:24:18 PM »
Jamusta......dont think you mind me answering your questions.

      Well yes we have only been reacting and not to hard,we reacted because they had noy hit on our turf. When they did they killed thousands. At that point the time for reacting was over.Remember they made the choice not us.
      The reason for overwhelming force is 1,hopefully no veitnams any more. 2.If you go into a country any country dont do it half assed.   Remember the trouble wake island caused japan. Lot of men lost some ships and lots of time . and that time hurt them and help us.  Remember carter and iran same thing.

     Jamatsu the reason Isreal and palastine are in a never ending circle is because we wont let israel get out. If we have leadership like johnson,carter, nixon, clinton yes we will or we just walk away but there is no place to hide.
   
     Yes we can handle iraq just fine if we have the will,contrarary to popular opinion we dont do things like other countries because we will give them a chance for freedom. If they dont want it  well the world is as the world is.

     Good point about the world standing against us if spread thin.
    This is my take,we are different than any country in the history of the world.We have nuclear weapons that work. Now the world knows we wont use them unless our backs are totally against the wall,that could happen even if evey one moved to texas and became pacifest,

    again good point: no we cant go into iran now ,syria we could, no proof but I bet if we did we would find a lot of those wmd that are missing. Dont let those that are now saying If we go into iran wont be the same it would be blood bath. it may or may not be harder,but if we wait untill they have nucluar weapon then it would be a blood bath.

  Our military right now is as strong as it was in 1 st gulf war. Numbers isnt the hole story,confidence in your cic, in yourself,and each other counts a lot.

   The only reason the sudan is standing is because the un has showed nothing but cowardice,pure and simple. France blocked anyone going in,un wanted their resolution we wrote to use softer words....excuse me the death tol is a million over last ten years and rising faster now. and kerry wants to be part of these guys .?

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« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2004, 06:33:15 PM »
Jumusta,

You sound like you are on the long side of 10+ years in, or begining to have plans for the private sector. Please be safe Sir.
bustr - POTW 1st Wing


This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2004, 06:57:58 PM »
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But to answer your question: I would feel safer with someone in office who wasn't incompetent, who could actually admit a mistake and try to rectify it, who wouldn't mislead us to fulfill his own agenda, who wouldn't hire extremists in key positions, who would filter intelligence information properly and who might have a workable plan other than "duck and cover." For starters. To date, that man is not our current President. So, if that means a change in regime then so be it.
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The search for such a candidate hasn't lead either party to a viable alternative. So.....

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« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2004, 09:27:05 PM »
It never hurts to be informed.  That should be the first thing one does before forming an opinion.

  I'm a disabled vet.  I served in the Navy before a lot of you were even born.  As far as I'm concerned, the worst person to be commander in chief is a chicken hawk like Bush, who used his father's influence to avoid service in Vietnam, then avoided most of that "cush" berth too after he was grounded from flying for failing to achieve a required physical (public record here, folks, available for anyone to see).  After being refused a transfer to Alabama twice, to a unit which didn't have the type of planes he was trained to fly, they finally granted the transfer after he'd ALREADY moved to Alabama anyway.  No one at the base remembers seeing him, including both the CO and XO of the unit.  His pay records reflect the fact that he was unpaid for that period. At no time after that did he ever regain flight status, after the first grounding, and despite having wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars to train him.  Most notable during his supposed Alabama service was the fact that he went on an arranged date with President Nixon's daughter, and they sent the presidential chopper to pick him up (again public info, readily available to anyone with the guts to look).  Again, no one else in the unit recalls this incident occuring on base - which is where he should have been. I'm pretty sure I'd remember if the president's helicopter came to my duty station.  Who knows where Bush was actually picked up at the time?  No one from the Alabama Guard unit, that's for sure.  Where does Bush go next?  He's transferred to an administrative unit based out of Denver, Colorado.  Why?  To make up lost time from his missing days, as required at the time. He never shows up in Denver for his administrative duty, either.  He is, instead, already enrolled at Harvard Business School, and asks for an early discharge to attend school - after the fact.  It is granted.  No reason given for why.  Here's a man, supposed to be serving make-up time for AWOL periods at an administrative unit which is known for just that purpose; and instead he's given an honorable discharge never having made up his AWOL time at all, as required by military rules at the time.  Why?  Hmmm, maybe because the most political of all military units is the National Guard?  That is, of course, why it was famous during Vietnam for being the hiding place of the rich and powerful.  Is it because daddy was at the time, first a U.S. Representative from Texas and then later the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N and a Special Envoy to China?  Is it because Nixon was trying to marry W off to his daughter?

  What does an experience like that do to someone who later in life wants to portray himself as being pro-military and gung-ho?  I'd say it makes him dangerously gung-ho.  It leads to severe cognitive dissonance. It leads to chest-thumping, jingoistic behavior that gets good people killed simply because they chose to actually serve.

  Thanks, but no thanks.  I'd rather have someone who actually served his country rather than someone who avoided serving it.  Because of that, I didn't support Clinton; and I'm not about to support Bush. And I'm not the only vet who thinks the same way - http://www.vetsforkerry.com

  And if you really wish to educate yourselves about some of the truly horrific things that Bush is doing to the military and to veterans via his unfunded broken promises and under the table program cuts to support his tax cuts for himself and his rich buddies, like Cheney, then I suggest you visit the following sites:

http://www.vva.org
http://www.vfw.org