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Offline demaw1

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« on: August 01, 2004, 05:33:15 PM »
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     For give me if I step on any toes.
  I realized today after reading the thread..[ kerry meets troops] the real disconnect between liberals and conservitives, most but not all democrats and republicans...I am not nieve,I as most of you do, know whats going on, but this was real because it is very possible that my 2 sons will be involved soon in this war .

     The picture that showed the look on our guys face said a thousand words to me. They didnt have that look,  or said what they said , about their cic   because they are conservative or republican or just plain hate kerry.
     It is because they are at dire risk for their lives and their country. It is because like it or not,  the last democratic president the grunts could trust with their lives, was f.d.r.[ j.f.k. was unfortunally in office for only 2 years and was greatly respected by the troops.]
      Most ,but not all democractic leaders and most,  but not all liberals dispise the military.Our people in harms way know this and are very concerned about it.The problem is the democrats now have a long track record since f.d.r. of deserting our military,or sending them into harms way and not letting them fight, or totally tieing there hands in battle,or sending them somewhere with out all equipment they need to do the job,ie carter and iran. Have replublican presidents made mistakes,yes as did f.d.r.
      They know that those that would be in power soon are more worried about what france ,germany,russia and any number of .countries think,    then their welfare and yes lives.They hear the talk of the liberails, see the sometimes out right lies from the news papers ,some have seen f-9/11 and are very disheartened.They wondered how the imbeded reporters could report 1 thing and the news papers another.Most of them believe the reason some of us in America are not dead,  is because they are fighting there,not here. The troops,I guess many conservitives,and those of us with short wave radios know more of the truth of what is going on there,the hosiptals ,schools etc being built.
      Our troops have befriended many iraqi people and kids and these people are helping us the best they can...seems there gov,is trying.Do I think it will work? No I dont, but we got to try and lets do the fighting over there.Believe it or not our young men and women are more aware then we were in the veitnam era.They have heard Democrat leaders,liberal columist,hollywood types compare there cic to hitler and stalin. They read that europe by a 60 percent margin believe that they are more evil than those they fight. They see almost half of canadas young people think they are evil.They know that french,german,italian.isreal,briton russian ,china the u.n.and 95 percent of the elected democrats including Kerry, clintons,gram,edwards,  not to mention saddam himself said iraq had w.m.d.s.They know puton himself called bush a couple of days before bush decided to go in and told him that saddam was going to have a meeting with [obl] 2nd in command to discuss hitting America acording to russian intell.
        They have a right to be worried when Kerry takes over, as they believe the democrats havent changed and they will get screwed again.Do they like bush because he is from texas,a republican,religious,rich?  No....because he stood by them and gave them every thing they need to fight and win.I know that is a hell of a concept for liberals to understand,as they are more worried about some prisoners wearing woman underware.

   I have been asked for sources before when it suitted certain people so here it is.

        I work a lot in s.b ca. near a navy weapons station.I live near l.a. air base....my son has some friends on active duty.my daughters, girl friends, boy friend ,is there.I have had some fine oppertunies to just listen to  them .Only 1 higher than corprol.
    Last, but important to me I have listen to my son.

Offline AKWeav

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2004, 07:38:45 AM »
I think you nailed it.

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2004, 09:35:27 AM »
Demaw,
I have been in the military since the first gulf war in 1990. I do agree that Demos send troops to conflict and tie their hands. Mogadishu is a prime example. If I had to go to war I would rather be under a Republican. Republicans have always backed the military. I do not, however like the fact that Republicans are quicker to go to war. This war we are in is a total disaster. Poised for success but set up for failure. The military is stretched to thin which is putting my fellow service members in great risk. With the amount of troops sent to Iraq that same amount of troops in Afghanistan probably would have sealed the deal there. So now we are faced with rebuilding two countries. Running 2 campaigns in 2 different countries is just plain dumb. It is your tax dollars and the blood of kids in the military that is paying the price for lack of leadership. But hey its all for the war on terror. We captured Saddam, but today we are on terror alert orange in our finacial icons. Terrorist are still blowing themselves up all over the world. Insurgents, "terrorist" are cutting peoples heads off. Bin Laden is still free. Afghanistan is still very unstable, Iraq is still very unstable and will be for years to come. So I ask you, What are these kids dying for? Do you honestly feel safer now than before 9/11? To me not one thing has changed.

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2004, 09:38:10 AM »
I guess we could have just sucked it up and could consider the occaisonal terrorist attack the "cost of doing business", like the Europeans seem to do, but I think we did the right thing and took the battle to them.  There simply is no other way than to endanger our troops, that is what they are and are for.

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2004, 09:56:14 AM »
"There simply is no other way than to endanger our troops, that is what they are and are for."

Lizking that is the most ignorant reply I have heard on this BBS.
You obviously havent served or have children who serve. You are basically saying that soldiers are expendable. Our job is not to just go off and die so you can make rediculous comments on the BBS. Fighting wars is our business yes. Casualties will happen. This is not the old days when soldiers stand in formation and shoot at each other. I am stating my opinion that this war could have been better organized. Finish one before you start another. Hitler tried to fronts and look where it got him.

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2004, 09:57:56 AM »
Jamusta, while I agree with you on some points I equally disagree on others. I joined the Army back in '86 and quit after 13 yrs because of Bill Clinton. It was a hard decision to throw away that many years, so close and all, but I could not do it anymore because we had the democrat party not suppporting its troops.

Are the repubs sometimes eager to go to war? Sometimes I believe so, yet I do feel that both Afghan and Iraq were necessary. I "DO" feel safer here in the USA now. Let's face it though, sooner or later, we would have been repairing these countries if we had invaded or not. The world seems to always be asking the USA for help, yet damning us for intefering. (Yup, that's truely how I feel too)

I'll be honest, Kerry scares me. I do not want someone in office who will be a bedfellow with the French and Germans. His pandering will only bring about ruin.

I think the US has a long way to go to repair ties with the world. But I want the world to take a serious look at their own backyard. France and Germany have acted reprehensibly with their dealings with Saddam.

Instead of looking at the US and criticising, look at yourselves and be honest.

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2004, 10:02:07 AM »
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I guess we could have just sucked it up and could consider the occaisonal terrorist attack the "cost of doing business", like the Europeans seem to do, but I think we did the right thing and took the battle to them.  There simply is no other way than to endanger our troops, that is what they are and are for.

I agree. During Clinton's presidency there seemed to be the prevailing opinion abroad that America would not retaliate with more than gestures and words, no matter what. The "bad guys" out there were mightily encouraged by this lack of will, I believe. Say what you will about Bush, there is no doubt about America's resolve to bring the fight to the aggressors. And that does not make us the aggressor! Am I the only one who is encouraged by the fact that someone in this world is willing to stand up to the bullies of the world? Generally speaking, I do feel like the world is safer. It's just some parts of the world aren't particularly safe to visit, right now, for Americans. So what? There's enough to see and do in my own back yard, so-to-speak.

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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2004, 10:06:43 AM »
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"There simply is no other way than to endanger our troops, that is what they are and are for."

Lizking that is the most ignorant reply I have heard on this BBS.
You obviously havent served or have children who serve. You are basically saying that soldiers are expendable. Our job is not to just go off and die so you can make rediculous comments on the BBS. Fighting wars is our business yes. Casualties will happen. This is not the old days when soldiers stand in formation and shoot at each other. I am stating my opinion that this war could have been better organized. Finish one before you start another. Hitler tried to fronts and look where it got him.


no it's not, I'm sure I have posted some more ignorant :)

that IS what a soldier is for just as putting out fires IS what a fireman does and arresting deadly criminals IS what a cop is for - both of which give the ultimate sacrifice at times but don't have the media/libs crying foul everytime one of them falls....

EVERY war can be "done better" - hindsight is a wonderful thing

fact is we are where we are TODAY, who do you want to lead us TOMORROW???

skerry kerry & his bag of mis-fits? LOL

nice Bush/hitler comparsion there too :rolleyes:
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2004, 10:06:56 AM »
Goth,
I am concerned for the long run. Like I said, one at a time. The threat at the time was Bin Laden. He is still free. After that, if needed, go to Iraq. I am not disputing that. Todays soldier is not like the old days. Most join for college now. We have college students fighting wars. Most dont understand that. After this they will not stay in. Numbers will fall. No one will join. If you dont think this to be true, just look at the stop loss thats in affect. Soldiers were already trying to get out. This will affect the future readiness of our military.

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2004, 10:07:45 AM »
I don't feel safer, and our government doesn't appear to feel safer either.

I travel into DC every day, they are making plans on extending the perimeter around the Capitol and White House. The absence of attacks within the US' borders does not equate to safety, might just be cooking up something bigger.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2004, 10:10:16 AM »
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I don't feel safer, and our government doesn't appear to feel safer either.

I travel into DC every day, they are making plans on extending the perimeter around the Capitol and White House. The absence of attacks within the US' borders does not equate to safety, might just be cooking up something bigger.
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Would Kerry in office make you "feel" safer?

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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2004, 10:10:22 AM »
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I don't feel safer, and our government doesn't appear to feel safer either.

I travel into DC every day, they are making plans on extending the perimeter around the Capitol and White House. The absence of attacks within the US' borders does not equate to safety, might just be cooking up something bigger.
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and you'd done what differently to make yourself "feel safer" in the nations Capitol?

just wonder, my two sisters live/work there - maybe they can do it too...
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2004, 10:10:35 AM »
I wasn't like a majority of kids back in the '80s, signing up for college benefits. When I signed up I knew quite well that I could possible be overseas, protecting my country and others, and possibly dying for it.

I did sign up for our stance on freedom and the hope to bring it to all the world.

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2004, 10:10:36 AM »
Once again my job is not to die. Just like the firemans job is not to die while putting out the fire. The officers job is not to die while catching a criminal. My job is to complete my mission and to keep the soldiers under me alive. I dont see why you people can't see this.

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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2004, 10:13:57 AM »
Good for you Rip, you are a tard.

Eagler, its not about what I would have done - its about people making statements that the US and world are safer, that is simply not true. Feeling safer in these times is akin to turning a blind eye to someone smoking a cigarette by a gas pump. If you can show me a statement where I said I expected to feel safer, then by all means, point it out to me. I simply said I do not feel safer and I don't EXPECT to feel safer for many years.

Also, I like how both of you put the quotes around the feel or feel safer - magnifique. Notice how I didn't do it, even though I was responding to a few in this thread who stated they felt safer.
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