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Offline Curval

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2004, 01:20:28 PM »
...and everyone...please, PLEASE stop picking on poor defensless M16s.  The poor little things have done nothing wrong.  It is only when bad people use them that people get killed.  So please stop picking on the weapon.

Thanks.
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2004, 01:27:25 PM »
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No way.  Ask lazs...more guns equals less crime and more saftey for all.
lies i tell j00.  gun's+terrorist=ww3.
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2004, 09:27:48 AM »
"All types of firearms should be legal and distributed free to every single citizen in the world. This would make the world a better safer place."

maybe... maybe not but it certainly wouold be a lot gfreer and wouldn't hurt.  

If the world was full of nothing but nice people then it wouldn't matter... If the world had bad people in it then the good people would need something to defend themselves with.   Which of your neigbors are you frieghtened of curval?   Who are you so scared of on your island that you need him to be disarmed?

vorticon... Are you saying that there are no M16's in America or that... if they were legal then the law abiding(the ones who don't have em now because... they are law abiding) would buy em and the mere act of owning one would cause em to change and become violent criminals?

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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2004, 11:29:11 AM »
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vorticon... Are you saying that there are no M16's in America or that... if they were legal then the law abiding(the ones who don't have em now because... they are law abiding) would buy em and the mere act of owning one would cause em to change and become violent criminals?

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im saying that given the choice between a m16 and a 9mm a criminal will always choose a m16...

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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2004, 11:34:04 AM »
"...and everyone...please, PLEASE stop picking on poor defensless M16s. The poor little things have done nothing wrong. It is only when bad people use them that people get killed. So please stop picking on the weapon.

Thanks."

How do ya pick on an inanimate object of metal and plastic?

    "quote:Originally posted by B17Skull12
    might as well start WW3.



No way. Ask lazs...more guns equals less crime and more saftey for all."

Actually there are provable stat's that just such a thing works, at least in the U.S.  Over 30 states now allow people to carry concealed weapons.  This trend has been steadly growing for some years and crime has been dropping in every state where these concealed carry has become allowed.  D.C. is the murder capitol of the U.S.  D.C. where no one may own any firearm.

    "quote:Originally posted by lazs2
    when was the last time an m16 was used against citizens by a criminal? When was the last time one was used in a crime?

    maybe a time or two every few years at most... hardly worth mentioning unless you are a lying scumbag, sensation seeking politician.



would probably be used more if you could just walk down to the nearest gun store and buy one though...thanks for supporting my point"

Supporting???

Hmm then you are not aware that the weapons addressed here are perfectly legal in several different forms?  You can buy (m16 types,  m14/m1a types, FAL, HKG3, SKS, AK Types, CETME, bushmaster, BAR, browning M30, etc..) in semi-auto version?  However the full-automatic version of all these are illegal without a BATF and state license!

"*shrug* works for me...but my position still stands, you dont need a m-16 to defend yourself and the harder it is for criminals to get that sort of weapon the easier it is for families to protect themselves"

I disagree, my position is, this position does NOT stand anywhere in anyway.  You or me or anyone could find themselves in a position that required allot of fire power! Who can see into the future?  Who can tell what tomorrow will bring?  Another L.A. Riot with shops being burned?  Another L.A. Riot where several shop  keepers, using semi-automatic weapons, drove away would be looters?  Where sections of the neigbhorhood blocked off their streets with barricades and stood armed at those barricades fending off all comers UNTIL law enforcement finally showed up.

Who decides for anyone what they may or may not be need to defend themselves and their families?  Where did this RIGHT to decide for others come from?  Why does it seem there are so many people minding other peoples business??

Your saying some lieing, cheating, on someones payroll over and above the salary taken from the people, politician should have the right to decide for me?  Some appiontee placed in position by the above?  The people?  They aren't, not a one of em, supposed to have the right to trample my rights!

The NEA no longer supports the teaching of  the Preamble to the Bill of Rights.  Don't seem to wanna teach the Bill of Rights anymore either.  After all if you don't know your rights how can you know when their being violated?

Oh and BTW the criminals prefer the small eazy to conceal 9mm weapons vs the larger harder to hide m16 types.

And criminal types generally turn away from people that are armed because they don't wanna get hurt or killed.  After all there are plenty of unarmed people to prey upon.

Hmmm did everyone posting actually read the article?
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It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2004, 11:34:54 AM »
just remember 9 outta 10 times the bad guy has a better gun than you.  vort=righT!
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2004, 11:43:02 AM »
Vorticon......m16...

       How would you keep any type of gun out of bad guys hand. How many laws would it take before a bad guy would say I better not use gun...

      Lazs didnt support your point.......You can go to any gun store and buy a ruger mini 14 in .223 caliber...In my opinion semi-auto for semi-auto  it is a better weapon...more accurate. much less prone to jamming,almost need a mud flood before jamming. As with most semi-auto rate of fire depends on how fast you can pull trigger. and more rugged.     How a weapon looks is of no value to it performance.....Yet they are very rately used in crime.....any thoughts?

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2004, 11:52:54 AM »
"just remember 9 outta 10 times the bad guy has a better gun than you. vort=righT!"

Does Vort even have a firearm?  It's even worse if you have nothing.  Then the criminal type can take you using better odds, like 2 to 1, or a knife, club, chain, most any handy item laying around, like a bottle, or piece of rusty pipe.  Or maybe the criminal has been pumping iron for self-defense while in prison and can just beat you down.

The Law of the Jungle applies ALL THE TIME with most criminals.  You think the criminal is gonna change his view point just for you?

Why cause you look so civilized?  Cause you got your woman and kids with you?  Cause you need the money to pay your bills?  Cause you are such a nice person?

Hey maybe deep down inside you know what would happen and so you avoid places where it might happen?  What happens if those places become less and less available?  Even non-existant?

I know cause it hasn't happened to you yet therefore it never will :D
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2004, 11:59:46 AM »
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im saying that given the choice between a m16 and a 9mm a criminal will always choose a m16...


Not if he's smart he wont.  Unsless he needs an accurate weapon to pick people off at 300 meters or greater.....then again there are ALOT more accurate weapons than the M-16/AR-15 readily available for alot cheaper.

As far as a robbery or a forced entry crime the M16 is also a terrible weapons.  It is far to long and bulky to be effective (it does make a good club I have to admit)

Not to mention you cannot conceal it unless you are wearing a trench coat....In wich case that makes you suspect if you are wearing one in the dead of summer.  

The 9MM is actually less suseptable at jamming when poping rounds off quickly.

point being, the M-16 is a terrible CQB (close quarters battle) weapon.

Unless you are covered head to toe in body armor and robbing a bank in downtown LA during the middle of the day while having a viscious gunbattle w/ the LAPD I dont think it's an effective "criminal" type weapon.

Just my opinion based on experience.....with the M16 not crime ;)

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2004, 12:04:48 PM »
Couple days ago 4 to 6 people killed with baseball bat in s,ca.


   voticon.....tomarrow this same person enters your home wishing to harm your family. Besides calling 911 what are your options.
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2004, 12:20:13 PM »
Curval is correct, and I've had a change of heart. I've written to my MP to ask him to lobby for a change in the law that would allow me to arm my home. I don't want a sissy M16. I want a belt fed machine gun, and maybe a few hand grenades in case a few of the bad guys make it all the way to my door.

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2004, 12:52:19 PM »
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Couple days ago 4 to 6 people killed with baseball bat in s,ca.


   voticon.....tomarrow this same person enters your home wishing to harm your family. Besides calling 911 what are your options.
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other than legal hand guns, rifles and 2 by 4's...nothing

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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2004, 01:00:00 PM »
Beetle......overkill.......

    Lots of overkill there beetle , and think of the cost of all that ammo, I am going broke just thinking about it.

    Heres one for you he he.....You just step from your car at the mall. All the sudden 4 terrorist stationed here and there open up with ak's. You go to your trunk to get what?

   1. tire iron.
   
 2. m 16 with 3 clips.
   
 3 bow and arrows

4. hide under car and call 911.


   Dont say cant happen,that would be dumb even for a liberal....not saying you are.

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2004, 01:04:25 PM »
Vorticon.......sorry.....

    2by 4 you would have little chance as would I....But I thought you were against the ownership of guns or I would have never asked that question.....GEES   once again I stand corrected...thats twice in 1 day.

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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2004, 02:01:37 PM »
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Beetle......overkill.......

    Lots of overkill there beetle , and think of the cost of all that ammo, I am going broke just thinking about it.

    Heres one for you he he.....You just step from your car at the mall. All the sudden 4 terrorist stationed here and there open up with ak's. You go to your trunk to get what?

   1. tire iron.
   
 2. m 16 with 3 clips.
   
 3 bow and arrows

4. hide under car and call 911.


   Dont say cant happen,that would be dumb even for a liberal....not saying you are.
You don't seem to know much about Britain, so I'll answer you with that in mind. [list=1]
  • we spell it tyre, but I don't have a tyre iron in the passenger compartment of my car. We have malls, but I rarely shop at them (hate crowds) but AFAIK there is no recorded instance of terrorists with AKs in shopping malls. A more likely scenario, and one which we saw in the 1970s, was an IRA bomb planted in a shop front - lots of glass... If AQ attack us, it's going to be a bomb much like as seen in Madrid.
  • An M16 isn't going to protect me from a bomb.
  • bows and arrows, maybe, but would take up a lot of space.
  • Calling 911 here would get you bugger all. Our national emergency number is 999, not 911
Other than that, it was a good effort. :aok